Comments on: Adam and Eve in the Garden of Jerusalem http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/ The Marketplace of Ideas Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:58:18 +0300 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Cheryl Birkner Mack http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-83548 Cheryl Birkner Mack Wed, 02 Jan 2013 18:23:48 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-83548 You've got it. Back to the article–you're absolutely correct that there is not connection. And I'm thrilled for the author's happiness, but I hold most of the same values as she does. I don't see how separating men and women leads to any of them. At my wedding there was mixed and separate dancing. Everyone chose for themselves. I don't think there was any less happiness or exuberance.

]]> By: Yonatan Knickerbocker http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-83544 Yonatan Knickerbocker Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:18:35 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-83544 In your last sentence you equate the mechitza to an idol, that both (would) bother you equally. Some things are more important than tolerance and avoiding avodah zara is one of them. It is one of the commandments that we must die for rather than transgress. Your priorities are upside down.

]]> By: Rachel Cohen Yeshurun http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-83546 Rachel Cohen Yeshurun Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:58:57 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-83546 Hey it's my birthday in Adar. Save me one.

]]> By: Rachel Cohen Yeshurun http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-83542 Rachel Cohen Yeshurun Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:56:26 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-83542 No, it's not easy to be tolerant. The mehitza seriously disturbs me. But I am tolerant. Where do I draw the line? I expect my civil rights to be respected by the State in every public place in the country including at the Kotel. And just so you don't think I am evading your question about the statue: I would be able to ignore and tolerate a small 'personal' statue if someone would bring one. I would not like to see a large permanent statue set up at the Kotel any more than I like the large and permanent walls set up to the cult of gender segregation.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-83540 Anonymous Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:28:23 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-83540 It grieves me not only that women were arrested at the Kosel but that the prefatory addition of lines from a recent NYTimes news item has mistakenly conveyed precisely the opposite message as the one I intended. Indeed, what the joy of that endless dancing reminded those of us who were present is that within our real and extreme differences is to be found our shared–and real, albeit cliched–ideal: a spirtuality that fosters our sisterhood and brotherhood.

The ideal is real.

I think it's well within our power to connect as unique individuals, to trust each other's essential goodwill. Doing so would be fascinating.

Let's dance

]]> By: Yonatan Knickerbocker http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-82012 Yonatan Knickerbocker Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:13:06 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-82012 Easy for you to say, coming from the other side of the argument, however, I'm sure there's something that some other worshipper could want to do that would offend you. Where do you draw the line? Are you willing to let someone place a statue there and have them pray to it?

]]> By: Rachel Cohen Yeshurun http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-81870 Rachel Cohen Yeshurun Tue, 01 Jan 2013 17:32:56 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-81870 Well said Bruce!. To Yonatan: Those 'other Jews' need to keep their eyes in their siddur and stop being 'bothered' by every little thing that is ever so slightly different from their own custom. If I can tolerate a mehitza in a public place then my Haredi sister should tolerate me wearing a tallit.

]]> By: Cheryl Birkner Mack http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-81812 Cheryl Birkner Mack Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:36:07 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-81812 still have some aliyot available

]]> By: Rachel Cohen Yeshurun http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-81800 Rachel Cohen Yeshurun Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:29:29 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-81800 I don't get the connection between your daughter's segregated wedding and why I should be arrested each Rosh Hodesh when I pray with my group – Women of the Wall in the women's section of the Kotel. Each to his own I say. When I pray at the Kotel I don't look over the mehitza or beyond my prayer book to see what other people are wearing and I am tolerant of other people's different ways of prayer. Anyway, Mazal Tov and we invite the new bride to receive an aliyah to the Torah with Women of the Wall on Rosh Hodesh Adar – Feb. 11, 2013 – Shaharit at 7:00am.

]]> By: Rachel Cohen Yeshurun http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-81802 Rachel Cohen Yeshurun Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:29:29 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-81802 I don't get the connection between your daughter's segregated wedding and why I should be arrested each Rosh Hodesh when I pray with my group – Women of the Wall in the women's section of the Kotel. Each to his own I say. When I pray at the Kotel I don't look over the mehitza or beyond my prayer book to see what other people are wearing and I am tolerant of other people's different ways of prayer. Anyway, Mazal Tov and we invite the new bride to receive an aliyah to the Torah with Women of the Wall on Rosh Hodesh Adar – Feb. 11, 2013 – Shaharit at 7:00am.

]]> By: Rachel Cohen Yeshurun http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-81804 Rachel Cohen Yeshurun Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:29:29 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-81804 I don't get the connection between your daughter's segregated wedding and why I should be arrested each Rosh Hodesh when I pray with my group – Women of the Wall in the women's section of the Kotel. Each to his own I say. When I pray at the Kotel I don't look over the mehitza or beyond my prayer book to see what other people are wearing and I am tolerant of other people's different ways of prayer. Anyway, Mazal Tov and we invite the new bride to receive an aliyah to the Torah with Women of the Wall on Rosh Hodesh Adar – Feb. 11, 2013 – Shaharit at 7:00am.

]]> By: Yonatan Knickerbocker http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-81722 Yonatan Knickerbocker Tue, 01 Jan 2013 11:44:12 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-81722 They want to pray in a way that seriously disturbs a lot of other Jews that also want to pray there. They can put on their tallaisim and tefillin at their Beit Knesset without bothering a soul. Where do you draw the line? Just let everyone do everything they want?

]]> By: Dror Ben Ami http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-81700 Dror Ben Ami Tue, 01 Jan 2013 10:51:06 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-81700 Everyone “knows” Judaism passes thru the mother, right?
Then why is it that not a rabbi has even attempted to answer this.
$10,000 Torah Challenge!
Can You Prove from the Torah that Judaism Does Indeed Pass Thru the Mother?
http://drorbenami987.hubpages.com/hub/Torah-Metaphors-A-10-000-Challange

]]> By: Arnie Draiman http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-81620 Arnie Draiman Tue, 01 Jan 2013 07:46:12 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-81620 youi are 100% right bruce

]]> By: Bruce Zivan http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/adam-and-eve-in-the-garden-of-jerusalem/#comment-81618 Bruce Zivan Tue, 01 Jan 2013 07:34:40 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=89894#comment-81618 This is a beautifully written article, but I fail to see how it relates to the Women of the Wall. The Women of the Wall are not seeking the removal of the mechitza at the Kotel, nor are they seeking to pray on the men's side of the mechitza. They want to pray together, once each month, on the women's side of the mechitza. Just like you shared the joy of dancing with your daughter and other female relatives on the women's side of the mechitza at the wedding.

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