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	<title>Comments on: Alon Tal&#8217;s unfounded hints and allegations against Bennett</title>
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		<title>By: Jubal Biggs</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/alon-tals-unfounded-hints-and-allegations-against-bennett/#comment-84740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jubal Biggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So sad. How does it feel to be Bibi&#039;s hired hit man? It can&#039;t feel good for a leftist to be doing the Likud&#039;s paid dirty work by sniping at Bait Yehudi. I guess you&#039;ll take one for the team to Livni can get an appointment in the next government, but how does that feel? At least the Meretz guys have some integrity (much as I disagree with them). ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sad. How does it feel to be Bibi&#039;s hired hit man? It can&#039;t feel good for a leftist to be doing the Likud&#039;s paid dirty work by sniping at Bait Yehudi. I guess you&#039;ll take one for the team to Livni can get an appointment in the next government, but how does that feel? At least the Meretz guys have some integrity (much as I disagree with them). </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Needleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Needleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont believe in god because there is no proof for its existence and to believe in something for which there is no proof is the epitome of foolery. If you have any proof Id like to see it.

Really you think arabs in areas A and B wont have the ability to wage war? When area C is annexed, do you think the palestinians will be happy about it? Or will they attach suicide vests to themselves and slink across a &#039;border&#039; impossible to properly guard for geographic reasons and kill dozens of Jewish children? 

Your dismissal of the consequences of annexation are frightening. Not to mention your failure to address the a) rights of palestinians to self determination (although I doubt that would mean much to a person like you) and b) international boycott.

As for the right to the land of Israel-I believe all peoples in the world have a right to self determination. The re-establishment of the Jewish community in Eretz Israel was driven by Atheists and Socialists-they created a community in Israel without the help of any make belief sky fairy and its thanks to their work that Israel has a right to exist. Your inability to understand why Israel has a right to exist outside the parameters of your imaginary friend speaks volumes about your medieval mindset.

Finally, you have never met me, you do not know me, you have no ability to predict the path my life will take. I may very well make aliya-reading posts from people like you only hardens my desire to come to Israel to fix the idiocy the Talibans Jewish division which is permeating through the fringes of society]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont believe in god because there is no proof for its existence and to believe in something for which there is no proof is the epitome of foolery. If you have any proof Id like to see it.</p>
<p>Really you think arabs in areas A and B wont have the ability to wage war? When area C is annexed, do you think the palestinians will be happy about it? Or will they attach suicide vests to themselves and slink across a &#039;border&#039; impossible to properly guard for geographic reasons and kill dozens of Jewish children? </p>
<p>Your dismissal of the consequences of annexation are frightening. Not to mention your failure to address the a) rights of palestinians to self determination (although I doubt that would mean much to a person like you) and b) international boycott.</p>
<p>As for the right to the land of Israel-I believe all peoples in the world have a right to self determination. The re-establishment of the Jewish community in Eretz Israel was driven by Atheists and Socialists-they created a community in Israel without the help of any make belief sky fairy and its thanks to their work that Israel has a right to exist. Your inability to understand why Israel has a right to exist outside the parameters of your imaginary friend speaks volumes about your medieval mindset.</p>
<p>Finally, you have never met me, you do not know me, you have no ability to predict the path my life will take. I may very well make aliya-reading posts from people like you only hardens my desire to come to Israel to fix the idiocy the Talibans Jewish division which is permeating through the fringes of society</p>
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		<title>By: Yonatan Knickerbocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yonatan Knickerbocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re ridiculous Ben. Fire and brimstone - oh my! Those arabs in areas A &amp; B will have self rule. The only things they won&#039;t have is the ability wage war. 

What do you care anyhow? You don&#039;t care enough to live here. You don&#039;t believe in G-d or the Torah. By your worldview what right do we have to be here at all? Do us all a favor and keep yourself busy with your little student union over there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re ridiculous Ben. Fire and brimstone &#8211; oh my! Those arabs in areas A &amp; B will have self rule. The only things they won&#039;t have is the ability wage war. </p>
<p>What do you care anyhow? You don&#039;t care enough to live here. You don&#039;t believe in G-d or the Torah. By your worldview what right do we have to be here at all? Do us all a favor and keep yourself busy with your little student union over there.</p>
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		<title>By: Yonatan Knickerbocker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/alon-tals-unfounded-hints-and-allegations-against-bennett/#comment-84734</link>
		<dc:creator>Yonatan Knickerbocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re ridiculous Ben. Fire and brimstone - oh my! Those arabs in areas A &amp; B will have self rule. The only things they won&#039;t have is the ability wage war. 

What do you care anyhow? You don&#039;t care enough to live here. You don&#039;t believe in G-d or the Torah. By your worldview what right do we have to be here at all? Do us all a favor and keep yourself busy with your little student union over there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re ridiculous Ben. Fire and brimstone &#8211; oh my! Those arabs in areas A &amp; B will have self rule. The only things they won&#039;t have is the ability wage war. </p>
<p>What do you care anyhow? You don&#039;t care enough to live here. You don&#039;t believe in G-d or the Torah. By your worldview what right do we have to be here at all? Do us all a favor and keep yourself busy with your little student union over there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Needleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Needleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You think Israel will survive 50 years of international boycott and sanctions after a unilateral annexation of 60% of the w.bank and denying the self determination of millions of people? 
Care to explain why? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think Israel will survive 50 years of international boycott and sanctions after a unilateral annexation of 60% of the w.bank and denying the self determination of millions of people?<br />
Care to explain why? </p>
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		<title>By: Shlomo Toren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shlomo Toren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alon, I disagree with you. The present list in Habayit Hayehudi is probably one of the more liberal ones  in years.  As for the Tekuma &quot;fanaticism&quot;, I am not really sure what you are talking about.  Ori Ariel is no fanatic. Check this out : http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%90%D7%9C  From this link it shows that he advanced women rights and environmental issues while in the Knesset.  IMO Tekuma are not at all religious fanatics and perhaps the label &quot;fanatic&quot; that you apply davka reduces your legitimacy and not Tekuma&#039;s.

(If there is a problem with Tekuma, it is in that the party list was not democratically chosen in open primaries, but I wonder if that also bothers you).

As for all sorts of Rabbis, not all of us follow all of them.  I also wonder if you would adhere to every word that Tzippi Livni says even though she leads your list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon, I disagree with you. The present list in Habayit Hayehudi is probably one of the more liberal ones  in years.  As for the Tekuma &quot;fanaticism&quot;, I am not really sure what you are talking about.  Ori Ariel is no fanatic. Check this out : <a href="http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%90%D7%9C" rel="nofollow">http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99_%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%90%D7%9C</a>  From this link it shows that he advanced women rights and environmental issues while in the Knesset.  IMO Tekuma are not at all religious fanatics and perhaps the label &quot;fanatic&quot; that you apply davka reduces your legitimacy and not Tekuma&#039;s.</p>
<p>(If there is a problem with Tekuma, it is in that the party list was not democratically chosen in open primaries, but I wonder if that also bothers you).</p>
<p>As for all sorts of Rabbis, not all of us follow all of them.  I also wonder if you would adhere to every word that Tzippi Livni says even though she leads your list.</p>
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		<title>By: David Goldberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 11:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is Alon Tal? Professor Tal is an advocate for a national policy to reduce population growth in Israel. In 2011, a national convention of Tal&#039;s Green Party supported a position that recognized the population issue; and  Tal referred to growing Jewish population as &quot;Pollution in the Promised Land&quot;. his environmental survey of Israel concludes the following:

 “The most critical single factor in understanding the downside of Israel’s environmental history is population pressure: with an average increase of one million people a decade, the land soon became very crowded. Israel’s population density is now roughly 270 people per square kilometer. Eventually economics, water resources, noise and the general dysfunction caused by the unbearable density will push Israel into a confrontation with advocates of large families and mass immigration. Environmentalists should not be afraid to speak on behalf of the many natural treasures that will otherwise be decimated by the crowds; flora and fauna are the first to pay for human encroachment on shrinking habitat. Future generations will certainly have reason to resent the deafening silence.”.

So if you think that crab grass and petunias are more important than growing the Jewish population, then you should vote for the Livni/Tal solution for Israel&#039;s future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is Alon Tal? Professor Tal is an advocate for a national policy to reduce population growth in Israel. In 2011, a national convention of Tal&#039;s Green Party supported a position that recognized the population issue; and  Tal referred to growing Jewish population as &quot;Pollution in the Promised Land&quot;. his environmental survey of Israel concludes the following:</p>
<p> “The most critical single factor in understanding the downside of Israel’s environmental history is population pressure: with an average increase of one million people a decade, the land soon became very crowded. Israel’s population density is now roughly 270 people per square kilometer. Eventually economics, water resources, noise and the general dysfunction caused by the unbearable density will push Israel into a confrontation with advocates of large families and mass immigration. Environmentalists should not be afraid to speak on behalf of the many natural treasures that will otherwise be decimated by the crowds; flora and fauna are the first to pay for human encroachment on shrinking habitat. Future generations will certainly have reason to resent the deafening silence.”.</p>
<p>So if you think that crab grass and petunias are more important than growing the Jewish population, then you should vote for the Livni/Tal solution for Israel&#039;s future.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Moesch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Moesch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An excellent and convincing piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent and convincing piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Natan Levine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natan Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 09:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You really seem to know absolutely nothing about the religious Zionist world, least of all its politics. 
The party does not receive  guidance from Rav Aviner. You talk as if he&#039;s the Rabbi Ovadia Yosef of the Bayit Yehudi, when in reality the party line actually follows its constituency not the words of a rabbi. Rav Aviner has expressed support for the party but that does not make him its spiritual leader. You may notice that 2 of the top 3 women on the Bayit Yehudi list don&#039;t follow his ultra-stringent modesty rules. These are pretty basic facts on the ground.

In any case, it seems unclear to me - is your problem with the Bayit Yehudi, or with Orthodox Judaism? You might want to take that up with #4 in your party&#039;s list. He can tell you that one rabbi does not represent the wide spectrum of religious Zionist views - not even the ones within the Bayit Yehudi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really seem to know absolutely nothing about the religious Zionist world, least of all its politics.<br />
The party does not receive  guidance from Rav Aviner. You talk as if he&#039;s the Rabbi Ovadia Yosef of the Bayit Yehudi, when in reality the party line actually follows its constituency not the words of a rabbi. Rav Aviner has expressed support for the party but that does not make him its spiritual leader. You may notice that 2 of the top 3 women on the Bayit Yehudi list don&#039;t follow his ultra-stringent modesty rules. These are pretty basic facts on the ground.</p>
<p>In any case, it seems unclear to me &#8211; is your problem with the Bayit Yehudi, or with Orthodox Judaism? You might want to take that up with #4 in your party&#039;s list. He can tell you that one rabbi does not represent the wide spectrum of religious Zionist views &#8211; not even the ones within the Bayit Yehudi.</p>
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		<title>By: Meir Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/alon-tals-unfounded-hints-and-allegations-against-bennett/#comment-84166</link>
		<dc:creator>Meir Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article. So many non-religious Israelis admire the modern zionist approach and it&#039;s great that they&#039;re finally being included in the Bayit Yehudi umbrella. Most Israelis don&#039;t consider Liberal/Reform Judaism a legitimate expression of Judaism. To support non-Orthodox Judaism would be to betray what they stand for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. So many non-religious Israelis admire the modern zionist approach and it&#039;s great that they&#039;re finally being included in the Bayit Yehudi umbrella. Most Israelis don&#039;t consider Liberal/Reform Judaism a legitimate expression of Judaism. To support non-Orthodox Judaism would be to betray what they stand for.</p>
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		<title>By: Meir Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/alon-tals-unfounded-hints-and-allegations-against-bennett/#comment-84168</link>
		<dc:creator>Meir Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article. So many non-religious Israelis admire the modern zionist approach and it&#039;s great that they&#039;re finally being included in the Bayit Yehudi umbrella. Most Israelis don&#039;t consider Liberal/Reform Judaism a legitimate expression of Judaism. To support non-Orthodox Judaism would be to betray what they stand for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. So many non-religious Israelis admire the modern zionist approach and it&#039;s great that they&#039;re finally being included in the Bayit Yehudi umbrella. Most Israelis don&#039;t consider Liberal/Reform Judaism a legitimate expression of Judaism. To support non-Orthodox Judaism would be to betray what they stand for.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Tal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Tal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 06:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had Bennet not joined with the Ichud HaLeumi and its &quot;Tkuma&quot; fanaticism this blog might have a teaspoon of legitimacy.  But the truth is that HaBayit hayehudi does not recognize non-Orthodox Judaism and its leaders in its house.  And while convenient to ignore the Rabbis who serve as spiritual leaders to the party, their positions on equal rights for Arabs, homosexuality, conversion, freedom in matters of marriage and burial, the need for women to dress modestly, etc. should make even modern Orthodox wonder whether their party is moving in a progressive direction.  Do you really want to support a party – who receives guidance from a rabbi who only this past weekend called for 3 year old girls to eschew immodesty and completely cover their body when in public.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had Bennet not joined with the Ichud HaLeumi and its &quot;Tkuma&quot; fanaticism this blog might have a teaspoon of legitimacy.  But the truth is that HaBayit hayehudi does not recognize non-Orthodox Judaism and its leaders in its house.  And while convenient to ignore the Rabbis who serve as spiritual leaders to the party, their positions on equal rights for Arabs, homosexuality, conversion, freedom in matters of marriage and burial, the need for women to dress modestly, etc. should make even modern Orthodox wonder whether their party is moving in a progressive direction.  Do you really want to support a party – who receives guidance from a rabbi who only this past weekend called for 3 year old girls to eschew immodesty and completely cover their body when in public.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Farro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Farro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 05:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Religious Modernity is an oxymoron if I&#039;ve ever heard one.  How exactly does Bennett represent all sectors when he makes such controversial statements such as refusing orders, and advocates unrestricted settlement building and ignoring the rest of the world?  And when you said all sectors of Israeli society, I think you only meant to say all Jewish sectors.  Simply saying things, doesn&#039;t make them so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious Modernity is an oxymoron if I&#039;ve ever heard one.  How exactly does Bennett represent all sectors when he makes such controversial statements such as refusing orders, and advocates unrestricted settlement building and ignoring the rest of the world?  And when you said all sectors of Israeli society, I think you only meant to say all Jewish sectors.  Simply saying things, doesn&#039;t make them so.</p>
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		<title>By: Finally Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finally Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nature abhors a vacuum. The secular parties have been content to leave a vacuum on religious affairs, which (unsurprisingly) has been filled by the chareidim. I am not sure I see eye to eye with Bennett et al. on all matters, but it&#039;s high time to get out of the false dichotomy between chareidi obscurantism and extreme secularism. Is liberal orthodoxy the answer? At the very least, it has firm roots in Israel going back to the pre-state period, which is more than one can say about Reform and even the Masorti movement. Reform is an American import and will always remain one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nature abhors a vacuum. The secular parties have been content to leave a vacuum on religious affairs, which (unsurprisingly) has been filled by the chareidim. I am not sure I see eye to eye with Bennett et al. on all matters, but it&#039;s high time to get out of the false dichotomy between chareidi obscurantism and extreme secularism. Is liberal orthodoxy the answer? At the very least, it has firm roots in Israel going back to the pre-state period, which is more than one can say about Reform and even the Masorti movement. Reform is an American import and will always remain one.</p>
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		<title>By: Finally Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finally Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(sigh) Whatever, dude]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(sigh) Whatever, dude</p>
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