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		<title>By: John Stevenson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-99358</link>
		<dc:creator>John Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This piece is very simplistic, in the style of Danny Ayalon-style hasbara. In Judea and Samaria, there exists two separate legal jurisdictions, with two separate sets of laws, law enforcement officials, legal systems and jail systems. These two separate systems are based solely on ethnicity. It doesn&#039;t really matter if this is apartheid, is similar to apartheid, is a system of &quot;hafrada,&quot; or is simply an infringement of human rights, and/or a bad policy that yields bad results. 1980&#039;s-style hasbara is meaningless. Deal with the facts on the ground. One very simple example: Palestinian outposts on privately held Palestinian land are removed almost immediately, whereas settler outposts remain forever, and get governmental support and infrastructure development. If the apartheid parallel claim is so outrageous then perhaps apply Israeli military law to all people in the West Bank (whether Israeli or Palestinian) or afford Palestinians in the West Bank the same level of protection which Israelis there enjoy. And, before you ask, I am an Halachically-observant Jew, living in Jerusalem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece is very simplistic, in the style of Danny Ayalon-style hasbara. In Judea and Samaria, there exists two separate legal jurisdictions, with two separate sets of laws, law enforcement officials, legal systems and jail systems. These two separate systems are based solely on ethnicity. It doesn&#039;t really matter if this is apartheid, is similar to apartheid, is a system of &quot;hafrada,&quot; or is simply an infringement of human rights, and/or a bad policy that yields bad results. 1980&#039;s-style hasbara is meaningless. Deal with the facts on the ground. One very simple example: Palestinian outposts on privately held Palestinian land are removed almost immediately, whereas settler outposts remain forever, and get governmental support and infrastructure development. If the apartheid parallel claim is so outrageous then perhaps apply Israeli military law to all people in the West Bank (whether Israeli or Palestinian) or afford Palestinians in the West Bank the same level of protection which Israelis there enjoy. And, before you ask, I am an Halachically-observant Jew, living in Jerusalem.</p>
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		<title>By: John Stevenson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-99360</link>
		<dc:creator>John Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is clear that, along with Arabs of Eretz Yisrael fleeing due to fear, and leaving because of calls of Arab leaders, there were Israeli expulsions of local Arabs. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear that, along with Arabs of Eretz Yisrael fleeing due to fear, and leaving because of calls of Arab leaders, there were Israeli expulsions of local Arabs. </p>
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		<title>By: John Stevenson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-99364</link>
		<dc:creator>John Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ad hominem attacks are not useful and offensive. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad hominem attacks are not useful and offensive. </p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Solomon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-99362</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And if you believe 1% of what Al-Guardian says, you&#039;re an idiot.  Then again, you&#039;ve proven yourself to be that many times over again anyways.  Go make some more Occupy tents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you believe 1% of what Al-Guardian says, you&#039;re an idiot.  Then again, you&#039;ve proven yourself to be that many times over again anyways.  Go make some more Occupy tents.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-97592</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article is written in the framework that US and west are always right and moral. All their enemies are savages and immoral. Doesn&#039;t matter if Israel&#039;s neighborhood is so because US made it so by installing dictators who stopped all intellectual and educational development of population to maintain status quo. Iran became so after CIA did the regime change. True that jews deserve a homeland just like muslims have mecca and christians have vatican, but why does the rest of the region have to suffer for it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is written in the framework that US and west are always right and moral. All their enemies are savages and immoral. Doesn&#039;t matter if Israel&#039;s neighborhood is so because US made it so by installing dictators who stopped all intellectual and educational development of population to maintain status quo. Iran became so after CIA did the regime change. True that jews deserve a homeland just like muslims have mecca and christians have vatican, but why does the rest of the region have to suffer for it?</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the greatest respect, anyone who believes that an Israeli withdrawal to the so-called 1967 borders/1948 Armistice lines will result in a peaceful solution, or an end to conflict, is not living in the real world. The still existent charters of Fatah, Hamas and the PLO phased plan all say as much.

Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas has declared that not a single Jew will be allowed in any Palestinian state - period. A declaration wherein he has also reiterated that not a single Jewish soldier incorporated within any international peacekeeping force will be allowed to enter Palestine either.This has nothing to do with peace, this is purely ethnic cleansing based upon racial discrimination. 

Activists rightly find the principle of ethnic cleansing to be both repulsive and racist. The exception clearly being when the victims of ethnic cleansing are the Jews.

The world has embraced the creation of a Palestinian state, while being largely ignorant of it&#039;s prerequisite, which involves the removal of many thousands of Jews from land wherein they have their own 3,000 year heritage. Indeed, rather than the peaceful coexistence of two peoples a Palestinian state is predicated upon totally ridding the land of Jews. Why should this be? 

Where are the condemnations of Palestinian apartheid, where are the boycotts against the forcible expulsion of Jews from their ancient homeland? If what is being genuinely sought is a &#039;two state solution&#039; with Israel and &#039;Palestine&#039; living in peaceful coexistence side by side, why the Palestinian insistence that the territory they receive be ethnically cleansed of Jews? The notion that an Arab state with such a platform of hatred could possibly live at peace with Israel is utterly ridiculous. Gaza has been cleansed of Jews and has shown itself to be a precursor to what will happen in any land ceded by Israel. 

If Jews were allowed to remain in a future state of Palestine, with a guarantee of the same rights that Israel gives to Arabs within it&#039;s own borders, there would be no need to remove the so called &#039;settlements&#039; or any necessity to halt peace talks over Israeli construction building in Jerusalem.

Indeed, if the true priority of the Arab world is nationhood for the Palestinian people, instead of just ridding themselves of the Jews, then a negotiated settlement could rapidly arise. If the 14% of Jewish &#039;settlers&#039; living among 2.2 million Palestinians are an obstacle to peace, why are 1.4 million Arab citizens in Israel no risk to the 6 million Israelis? While the evacuation of Israeli Arab villages is seen as a violation of human rights, how can the evacuation of Jewish &#039;settlements&#039; in the West Bank be any different?

We must wait and see if the world has been duped into believing that a peaceful coexistence is being sought by the Palestinians or the implementation of the unchanged Fatah charter of &#039;moderate&#039; Mahmoud Abbas which declares &quot;...this struggle will not cease unless the Zionist state is demolished and Palestine is completely liberated...&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the greatest respect, anyone who believes that an Israeli withdrawal to the so-called 1967 borders/1948 Armistice lines will result in a peaceful solution, or an end to conflict, is not living in the real world. The still existent charters of Fatah, Hamas and the PLO phased plan all say as much.</p>
<p>Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas has declared that not a single Jew will be allowed in any Palestinian state &#8211; period. A declaration wherein he has also reiterated that not a single Jewish soldier incorporated within any international peacekeeping force will be allowed to enter Palestine either.This has nothing to do with peace, this is purely ethnic cleansing based upon racial discrimination. </p>
<p>Activists rightly find the principle of ethnic cleansing to be both repulsive and racist. The exception clearly being when the victims of ethnic cleansing are the Jews.</p>
<p>The world has embraced the creation of a Palestinian state, while being largely ignorant of it&#039;s prerequisite, which involves the removal of many thousands of Jews from land wherein they have their own 3,000 year heritage. Indeed, rather than the peaceful coexistence of two peoples a Palestinian state is predicated upon totally ridding the land of Jews. Why should this be? </p>
<p>Where are the condemnations of Palestinian apartheid, where are the boycotts against the forcible expulsion of Jews from their ancient homeland? If what is being genuinely sought is a &#039;two state solution&#039; with Israel and &#039;Palestine&#039; living in peaceful coexistence side by side, why the Palestinian insistence that the territory they receive be ethnically cleansed of Jews? The notion that an Arab state with such a platform of hatred could possibly live at peace with Israel is utterly ridiculous. Gaza has been cleansed of Jews and has shown itself to be a precursor to what will happen in any land ceded by Israel. </p>
<p>If Jews were allowed to remain in a future state of Palestine, with a guarantee of the same rights that Israel gives to Arabs within it&#039;s own borders, there would be no need to remove the so called &#039;settlements&#039; or any necessity to halt peace talks over Israeli construction building in Jerusalem.</p>
<p>Indeed, if the true priority of the Arab world is nationhood for the Palestinian people, instead of just ridding themselves of the Jews, then a negotiated settlement could rapidly arise. If the 14% of Jewish &#039;settlers&#039; living among 2.2 million Palestinians are an obstacle to peace, why are 1.4 million Arab citizens in Israel no risk to the 6 million Israelis? While the evacuation of Israeli Arab villages is seen as a violation of human rights, how can the evacuation of Jewish &#039;settlements&#039; in the West Bank be any different?</p>
<p>We must wait and see if the world has been duped into believing that a peaceful coexistence is being sought by the Palestinians or the implementation of the unchanged Fatah charter of &#039;moderate&#039; Mahmoud Abbas which declares &quot;&#8230;this struggle will not cease unless the Zionist state is demolished and Palestine is completely liberated&#8230;&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Shapiro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-97516</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely agree with your comments David.  But the Rabbi&#039;s criticism was of the SA Jewish community.  He inferred that we do nothing about all the anti-Israel propaganda  and I take great exception to that.   He obviously did not do his homework very well and to write something without getting all the facts is unfair and totally irresponsible.  Monessa Shapiro]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with your comments David.  But the Rabbi&#039;s criticism was of the SA Jewish community.  He inferred that we do nothing about all the anti-Israel propaganda  and I take great exception to that.   He obviously did not do his homework very well and to write something without getting all the facts is unfair and totally irresponsible.  Monessa Shapiro</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Shapiro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-97518</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely agree with your comments David.  But the Rabbi&#039;s criticism was of the SA Jewish community.  He inferred that we do nothing about all the anti-Israel propaganda  and I take great exception to that.   He obviously did not do his homework very well and to write something without getting all the facts is unfair and totally irresponsible.  Monessa Shapiro]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with your comments David.  But the Rabbi&#039;s criticism was of the SA Jewish community.  He inferred that we do nothing about all the anti-Israel propaganda  and I take great exception to that.   He obviously did not do his homework very well and to write something without getting all the facts is unfair and totally irresponsible.  Monessa Shapiro</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Sieradski</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-97372</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Sieradski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah. Israel only wanted to sell apartheid South Africa nukes. It&#039;s just an insignificant blip!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Israel only wanted to sell apartheid South Africa nukes. It&#039;s just an insignificant blip!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons</a></p>
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		<title>By: Louw Kruger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-97326</link>
		<dc:creator>Louw Kruger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Afrikaner I treat the Israeli with the deu respect as required by the Lord. But how can I forget that Israel and its ally America forsaken us in our hour of need and deliver us onto the altar of Baal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Afrikaner I treat the Israeli with the deu respect as required by the Lord. But how can I forget that Israel and its ally America forsaken us in our hour of need and deliver us onto the altar of Baal.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hersch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-97268</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hersch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monessa, what you write would be fine if all the hard work done as described lead to a balanced media, press, TV and radio in South Africa. You know, as we all do, that to get articles published is extremely difficult. Letters and Op-Eds are ignored and never see the light of day. Radio talk shows are unbalanced and the broadcasters are mostly biased ignoramuses who sit in self-appointed judgement sprouting garbage in their malicious and vacuous cacoons of ignorance. Yes, there are many of us who fight the good fight, but it is extremely difficult if not almost impossible with an ANC government who have sold their foreign policy to the Arabs and are so easily bribed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monessa, what you write would be fine if all the hard work done as described lead to a balanced media, press, TV and radio in South Africa. You know, as we all do, that to get articles published is extremely difficult. Letters and Op-Eds are ignored and never see the light of day. Radio talk shows are unbalanced and the broadcasters are mostly biased ignoramuses who sit in self-appointed judgement sprouting garbage in their malicious and vacuous cacoons of ignorance. Yes, there are many of us who fight the good fight, but it is extremely difficult if not almost impossible with an ANC government who have sold their foreign policy to the Arabs and are so easily bribed.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hersch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-97264</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hersch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To lend support to what Rabbi Boteach writes about Zapiro, the South African cartoonist, see the following article:

http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/zapiro-in-public-spat-with-zionist-1.1435520#.USR75h1BN8e

My response to this misreported article - ”Zapiro in public spat with Zionist”:

It certainly would have been professional and correct if the SAPA journalist had correctly reported the confrontation between Jonathan Shapiro (Zapiro) and myself at the Cape Town Press Club today, Tuesday 4 Dec 2012, and had interviewed me afterwards as he/she had done with Shapiro in an attempt to balance the story. I did not leave immediately and was available.

If the reportage was more accurate it would also have been better, but then sometimes bad reportage is better than no reportage and in this I achieved my aim of bringing this issue to the general public’s attention.

Shapiro had delivered an address to the Cape Town Press Club which showed and discussed some of his cartoons, all pertaining to the South African situation. I commended him on this. This leads to the debate of how far a cartoonist can and should go and under what circumstances and whether there are red-lines. In the case of Israel, Shapiro’s personal and misguided agenda is clearly shown and it is the public’s right to question and confront him. Please see the attached document.

Just as I was about to speak, Shapiro commented about a comparison of his anti-Israel cartoons with cartoons from the Nazi era that was the subject of a discussion at a recent Cape Town Jewish Board of Deputies conference. Shapiro referred to the compiler of this study as a “rabid Zionist” and used the word Zionist throughout as if it were an expletive, a swear word. This is the approach of Israel’s enemies.

I immediately said I had brought some copies along which I handed out to the various tables at the lunch for them to see for themselves. I have no recollection of saying “You are an anti-Zionist, aren&#039;t you?”.

On a previous occasion a few years ago I debated Shapiro where I stated that I objected in the strongest terms possible his depiction of an Israeli Prime Minister, Arik Sharon at the time, in a Nazi uniform. This cartoon is in the attached document.

Of course when one is speaking from the floor, there is not enough time to make all one’s points and the truth is, as I pointed out, that Shapiro held the microphone and there was no way I could answer his allegations.

In reply he accused Israel of ethnic cleansing during the 1948 War of Independence and it is to this comment that I interjected that it was not true and not as reported in the article reproduced below. Of course the truth is that the Jews were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries and Israel’s population is 20% Arab. That is not ethnic cleansing by any definition and it was never Israel’s intention nor policy, but it certainly has been the Arab countries’ policy. The Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 make up the so-called Palestinian refugees and that is a discussion on its own. Glib sound-bytes have to be questioned and challenged.

Shapiro also questioned how Jews could take over an area that was Arab. The truth is the region had not been under Arab rule for centuries, but under Turkish rule. Turks were far more tolerant and fair with Jews then most Arabs ever were. They gave refuge to Jews and others fleeing Christian terror in Europe for centuries. In the mid 1800&#039;s they gave formal legal protection to Jews (something Arabs refuse do even today) and encouraged Jewish immigration. They strongly approved of Zionism because the whole region was a depopulated wasteland and hoped to bring prosperity to a crumbling Ottoman Empire. This is of course a debate for another time, but Shapiro is adept at throwing out unsubstantiated sound-bytes clearly sourced from Israel’s enemies. 

As for my comment about his sending his children to Herzlia, the Cape Town Jewish school, he completely, conveniently and deliberately misinterpreted what I asked. My question to Shapiro had nothing to do with his children per se, but was rather with him and a concern of mine how he could take advantage of a school that supports Israel and is funded by communal money, the majority of whom are Zionists? Given his well known antipathy to the Jewish state, was this merely a matter of moral turpitude or an act of gross hypocrisy on his part?

Of course it should be pointed out that Herzlia School is named after Theodore Herzl who Zapiro vilifies. The question goes to Shapiro&#039;s decision making as a parent. If he is so opposed to Zionism, why does he elect to have a Zionist education for his children?

The Herzlia curriculum is Zionist but the children also have daily prayers where the standard Shacharit (morning prayer) is recited with all its appeals for a Jewish return to Israel (and the speedy rebuilding of the temple).

In commenting about the development and eventual establishment of the State of Israel, Shapiro either deliberately ignores history and facts, or shows his abysmal ignorance. He regurgitates the shallow propaganda mantras of Israel’s enemies.

Look at the attached Tutu cartoon which he produced at the time when I wrote and published the petition demanding of the Cape Town Holocaust Centre that it remove Desmond Tutu as a patron.  Shapiro, who is Jewish, obviously regards Desmond Tutu as his hero and infallible.

How can Shapiro never fail to defend Tutu who, commenting on the Holocaust, claimed the gas chambers made for a neater death, I repeat a neater death, than the relocation of South African blacks during Apartheid. I can be sure that the six million Jews who died in the Nazi gas chambers and elsewhere, amongst whom were my father’s mother and entire family, would have been delighted to have been merely relocated than be murdered by Tutu’s “neater death”. This is only one of many examples of Tutu anti-Semitisms.

Has Zapiro ever commented on the Islamist terror that is being waged throughout Africa and around the world? Has he ever produced a cartoon about the appalling Islamists in Pakistan, about the Palestinians and the increasing Arab Winter of Discontent? Spring? What Spring? If he has, I haven’t seen them.

Shapiro has the resources and vast newspaper distribution which renders him almost untouchable. Wileding a microphone and dominating through this the conversation at the Press Club and limiting it, continues his virtual monopoly and limits a questioner. However, he noted when commenting on the cartoon study attached, that he is powerless against the Internet. That brings a bit of balance. So, whilst he holds the microphone and the newspapers, the Internet and social media are not his at all and in this I now hold the pen.

The subject is huge and needs time to debate and discuss properly. I therefore challenge Jonathan Shapiro to a public debate where we will both have equal time to make our respective cases.

DAVID HERSCH
SAIPAC
The South African Israel Public Affairs Committee.
Cape Town]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To lend support to what Rabbi Boteach writes about Zapiro, the South African cartoonist, see the following article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/zapiro-in-public-spat-with-zionist-1.1435520#.USR75h1BN8e" rel="nofollow">http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/zapiro-in-public-spat-with-zionist-1.1435520#.USR75h1BN8e</a></p>
<p>My response to this misreported article &#8211; ”Zapiro in public spat with Zionist”:</p>
<p>It certainly would have been professional and correct if the SAPA journalist had correctly reported the confrontation between Jonathan Shapiro (Zapiro) and myself at the Cape Town Press Club today, Tuesday 4 Dec 2012, and had interviewed me afterwards as he/she had done with Shapiro in an attempt to balance the story. I did not leave immediately and was available.</p>
<p>If the reportage was more accurate it would also have been better, but then sometimes bad reportage is better than no reportage and in this I achieved my aim of bringing this issue to the general public’s attention.</p>
<p>Shapiro had delivered an address to the Cape Town Press Club which showed and discussed some of his cartoons, all pertaining to the South African situation. I commended him on this. This leads to the debate of how far a cartoonist can and should go and under what circumstances and whether there are red-lines. In the case of Israel, Shapiro’s personal and misguided agenda is clearly shown and it is the public’s right to question and confront him. Please see the attached document.</p>
<p>Just as I was about to speak, Shapiro commented about a comparison of his anti-Israel cartoons with cartoons from the Nazi era that was the subject of a discussion at a recent Cape Town Jewish Board of Deputies conference. Shapiro referred to the compiler of this study as a “rabid Zionist” and used the word Zionist throughout as if it were an expletive, a swear word. This is the approach of Israel’s enemies.</p>
<p>I immediately said I had brought some copies along which I handed out to the various tables at the lunch for them to see for themselves. I have no recollection of saying “You are an anti-Zionist, aren&#039;t you?”.</p>
<p>On a previous occasion a few years ago I debated Shapiro where I stated that I objected in the strongest terms possible his depiction of an Israeli Prime Minister, Arik Sharon at the time, in a Nazi uniform. This cartoon is in the attached document.</p>
<p>Of course when one is speaking from the floor, there is not enough time to make all one’s points and the truth is, as I pointed out, that Shapiro held the microphone and there was no way I could answer his allegations.</p>
<p>In reply he accused Israel of ethnic cleansing during the 1948 War of Independence and it is to this comment that I interjected that it was not true and not as reported in the article reproduced below. Of course the truth is that the Jews were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries and Israel’s population is 20% Arab. That is not ethnic cleansing by any definition and it was never Israel’s intention nor policy, but it certainly has been the Arab countries’ policy. The Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 make up the so-called Palestinian refugees and that is a discussion on its own. Glib sound-bytes have to be questioned and challenged.</p>
<p>Shapiro also questioned how Jews could take over an area that was Arab. The truth is the region had not been under Arab rule for centuries, but under Turkish rule. Turks were far more tolerant and fair with Jews then most Arabs ever were. They gave refuge to Jews and others fleeing Christian terror in Europe for centuries. In the mid 1800&#039;s they gave formal legal protection to Jews (something Arabs refuse do even today) and encouraged Jewish immigration. They strongly approved of Zionism because the whole region was a depopulated wasteland and hoped to bring prosperity to a crumbling Ottoman Empire. This is of course a debate for another time, but Shapiro is adept at throwing out unsubstantiated sound-bytes clearly sourced from Israel’s enemies. </p>
<p>As for my comment about his sending his children to Herzlia, the Cape Town Jewish school, he completely, conveniently and deliberately misinterpreted what I asked. My question to Shapiro had nothing to do with his children per se, but was rather with him and a concern of mine how he could take advantage of a school that supports Israel and is funded by communal money, the majority of whom are Zionists? Given his well known antipathy to the Jewish state, was this merely a matter of moral turpitude or an act of gross hypocrisy on his part?</p>
<p>Of course it should be pointed out that Herzlia School is named after Theodore Herzl who Zapiro vilifies. The question goes to Shapiro&#039;s decision making as a parent. If he is so opposed to Zionism, why does he elect to have a Zionist education for his children?</p>
<p>The Herzlia curriculum is Zionist but the children also have daily prayers where the standard Shacharit (morning prayer) is recited with all its appeals for a Jewish return to Israel (and the speedy rebuilding of the temple).</p>
<p>In commenting about the development and eventual establishment of the State of Israel, Shapiro either deliberately ignores history and facts, or shows his abysmal ignorance. He regurgitates the shallow propaganda mantras of Israel’s enemies.</p>
<p>Look at the attached Tutu cartoon which he produced at the time when I wrote and published the petition demanding of the Cape Town Holocaust Centre that it remove Desmond Tutu as a patron.  Shapiro, who is Jewish, obviously regards Desmond Tutu as his hero and infallible.</p>
<p>How can Shapiro never fail to defend Tutu who, commenting on the Holocaust, claimed the gas chambers made for a neater death, I repeat a neater death, than the relocation of South African blacks during Apartheid. I can be sure that the six million Jews who died in the Nazi gas chambers and elsewhere, amongst whom were my father’s mother and entire family, would have been delighted to have been merely relocated than be murdered by Tutu’s “neater death”. This is only one of many examples of Tutu anti-Semitisms.</p>
<p>Has Zapiro ever commented on the Islamist terror that is being waged throughout Africa and around the world? Has he ever produced a cartoon about the appalling Islamists in Pakistan, about the Palestinians and the increasing Arab Winter of Discontent? Spring? What Spring? If he has, I haven’t seen them.</p>
<p>Shapiro has the resources and vast newspaper distribution which renders him almost untouchable. Wileding a microphone and dominating through this the conversation at the Press Club and limiting it, continues his virtual monopoly and limits a questioner. However, he noted when commenting on the cartoon study attached, that he is powerless against the Internet. That brings a bit of balance. So, whilst he holds the microphone and the newspapers, the Internet and social media are not his at all and in this I now hold the pen.</p>
<p>The subject is huge and needs time to debate and discuss properly. I therefore challenge Jonathan Shapiro to a public debate where we will both have equal time to make our respective cases.</p>
<p>DAVID HERSCH<br />
SAIPAC<br />
The South African Israel Public Affairs Committee.<br />
Cape Town</p>
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		<title>By: David Hersch</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hersch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ravi, you are incapable of seeing the wood for the trees and your bias and lack of knowledge, facts and history has given you permanent blindness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ravi, you are incapable of seeing the wood for the trees and your bias and lack of knowledge, facts and history has given you permanent blindness.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hartley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/getting-the-apartheid-israeli-equation-right/#comment-97262</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Hartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great piece falling on deaf ears.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Shapiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am amazed and somewhat taken aback at Rabbi Boteach criticism of South African Jewry.  Our Chief Rabbi is exceptionally vocal and vociferous in his support of Israel.  He has even publicly called for the resignation of a minister because of his comments about Israel. He has also frequently and publicly taken Tutu to task.  In addition we have numerous Israel advocacy groups who continually work at telling Israel&#039;s story.  We continually write letters and opinion pieces for the newspapers, monitor radio stations and television, meet with journalists and broadcasters, monitor and respond to comments on blogs etc.  Given the very anti
Environment I believe we as the South African Jewish community are doing a sterling job.   A pity Rabbi Boteach never met with sufficient people or the right people to get a true reflection of us and the work we do.   Come for another visit Rabbi.   Monessa Shapiro]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amazed and somewhat taken aback at Rabbi Boteach criticism of South African Jewry.  Our Chief Rabbi is exceptionally vocal and vociferous in his support of Israel.  He has even publicly called for the resignation of a minister because of his comments about Israel. He has also frequently and publicly taken Tutu to task.  In addition we have numerous Israel advocacy groups who continually work at telling Israel&#039;s story.  We continually write letters and opinion pieces for the newspapers, monitor radio stations and television, meet with journalists and broadcasters, monitor and respond to comments on blogs etc.  Given the very anti<br />
Environment I believe we as the South African Jewish community are doing a sterling job.   A pity Rabbi Boteach never met with sufficient people or the right people to get a true reflection of us and the work we do.   Come for another visit Rabbi.   Monessa Shapiro</p>
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