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		<title>By: Douglas Hall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-121498</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Society has come a long way since the Romans got rid of the mentally sick bipolar Jesus of Nazareth by cucifying him.  At least that is most modern countries that use psychiatric drugs to treat the ill. Some countries do treat the psychiatric sick people with jail though but as far as I know Italy does not put people on crosses for a slow death like they did 2,000 years ago. We have come a long way baby. Here in Spain the treatment is  pretty good but they are sure obsessed with the damn cross and sick Jesus hanging on it. I see it all around. Makes me cringe. Thank God for medical scientific progress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Society has come a long way since the Romans got rid of the mentally sick bipolar Jesus of Nazareth by cucifying him.  At least that is most modern countries that use psychiatric drugs to treat the ill. Some countries do treat the psychiatric sick people with jail though but as far as I know Italy does not put people on crosses for a slow death like they did 2,000 years ago. We have come a long way baby. Here in Spain the treatment is  pretty good but they are sure obsessed with the damn cross and sick Jesus hanging on it. I see it all around. Makes me cringe. Thank God for medical scientific progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Sander Postol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sander Postol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Etem</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-107952</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Etem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 22:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jane McCamant - A few points: Look how `piously&#039; Christians treated the Jews across the ages, and look how `piously&#039; they treated women accused of witchcraft, and look how piously they treated the mentally ill, the African slaves, the European serfs etc.  Could it be these `pious Christians&#039; were not actually pious Christians?

You write: `It is not God that is mad because video games...&#039;  This sentence becomes rather incoherent.  You seem to be speaking for God, and you seem to be saying that God is not mad about the occult, vampires and violent video games, because, after all, there have been violent operas in the past, and so you believe that this proves God is not mad about...

Do you really want to imply that the violence in `Hamlet&#039; and `MacBeth&#039; is no different than the violence in `Basic Instinct&#039; or some other modern cinematic bloodbath?

Also, it&#039;s not clear if you&#039;re telling Emily Schrader to `grow up&#039; or if you are just telling everyone who doesn&#039;t agree with you to grow up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jane McCamant &#8211; A few points: Look how `piously&#039; Christians treated the Jews across the ages, and look how `piously&#039; they treated women accused of witchcraft, and look how piously they treated the mentally ill, the African slaves, the European serfs etc.  Could it be these `pious Christians&#039; were not actually pious Christians?</p>
<p>You write: `It is not God that is mad because video games&#8230;&#039;  This sentence becomes rather incoherent.  You seem to be speaking for God, and you seem to be saying that God is not mad about the occult, vampires and violent video games, because, after all, there have been violent operas in the past, and so you believe that this proves God is not mad about&#8230;</p>
<p>Do you really want to imply that the violence in `Hamlet&#039; and `MacBeth&#039; is no different than the violence in `Basic Instinct&#039; or some other modern cinematic bloodbath?</p>
<p>Also, it&#039;s not clear if you&#039;re telling Emily Schrader to `grow up&#039; or if you are just telling everyone who doesn&#039;t agree with you to grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie Mayerfeld</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-77586</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie Mayerfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gayle Shimoff that&#039;s why there should be more talk about mental illness in order to lead to more effective treatment and support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gayle Shimoff that&#039;s why there should be more talk about mental illness in order to lead to more effective treatment and support.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle Shimoff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-77584</link>
		<dc:creator>Gayle Shimoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dov, Ritalin does work for kids with ADHD and ADD, when prescribed properly and monitored and adjusted responsibly. Susie, I understand your point. I agree with you about the stigma about mental illness. Discussing it more publicly is not going to help unless that leads to more  proactive effective treatment and comprehensive support for the patient and his family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dov, Ritalin does work for kids with ADHD and ADD, when prescribed properly and monitored and adjusted responsibly. Susie, I understand your point. I agree with you about the stigma about mental illness. Discussing it more publicly is not going to help unless that leads to more  proactive effective treatment and comprehensive support for the patient and his family.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie Mayerfeld</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-77582</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie Mayerfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gayle Shimoff I did not mean in any way to suggest that ADHD  is mental illness. My point was about stigmas. The way people thought of ADHD	10 years ago and the way they think about it today and it doesn&#039;t have to be hidden is because of the talking about it and the raising of awareness about it. The point I, was trying to make is that people need to open up about mental illness in the same way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gayle Shimoff I did not mean in any way to suggest that ADHD  is mental illness. My point was about stigmas. The way people thought of ADHD	10 years ago and the way they think about it today and it doesn&#039;t have to be hidden is because of the talking about it and the raising of awareness about it. The point I, was trying to make is that people need to open up about mental illness in the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dov Blair Epstein</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-77310</link>
		<dc:creator>Dov Blair Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John kennedy&#039;s sister was autistic, and they lobotomized her...effectively destroying her. Guns make  killing easier, but knives are effective , as are cinder blocks, shoelaces, a sharpened credit card edge,  thrwon stones, gasoline...ask CSI forensics, and see how ingenious killers can be, how ingenious evil is. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John kennedy&#039;s sister was autistic, and they lobotomized her&#8230;effectively destroying her. Guns make  killing easier, but knives are effective , as are cinder blocks, shoelaces, a sharpened credit card edge,  thrwon stones, gasoline&#8230;ask CSI forensics, and see how ingenious killers can be, how ingenious evil is. </p>
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		<title>By: אדם דוד מרקס</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-77304</link>
		<dc:creator>אדם דוד מרקס</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know it was. Are you saying that one day we will came to believe that schizophrenic behavior is socially acceptable? If not, then I am not seeing the comparison you are trying to make.

My aunt spent 40 years working with mentally ill children prone to violence. They are a danger to themselves and others and loved ones &amp; caregivers need more leeway in dealing with them than normal people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it was. Are you saying that one day we will came to believe that schizophrenic behavior is socially acceptable? If not, then I am not seeing the comparison you are trying to make.</p>
<p>My aunt spent 40 years working with mentally ill children prone to violence. They are a danger to themselves and others and loved ones &amp; caregivers need more leeway in dealing with them than normal people.</p>
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		<title>By: Dov Blair Epstein</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-77308</link>
		<dc:creator>Dov Blair Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right. the mental illness is the teacher&#039;s inability to understand ADD and ADHD, and demand  kids to take drugs. Ritalin is for teachers.THAT&#039;s mental illness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. the mental illness is the teacher&#039;s inability to understand ADD and ADHD, and demand  kids to take drugs. Ritalin is for teachers.THAT&#039;s mental illness.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle Shimoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle Shimoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ADHD is not a mental illness! It is incorrect and very harmful to lump them together. Please be very careful about how you present these issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADHD is not a mental illness! It is incorrect and very harmful to lump them together. Please be very careful about how you present these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Schrader</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-77292</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily Schrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Homosexuality was a &quot;mental illness&quot; until 1974. http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homosexuality was a &quot;mental illness&quot; until 1974. <a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html" rel="nofollow">http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Susie Mayerfeld</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-mental-illness/#comment-77288</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie Mayerfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can understand the things you are saying yet I disagree and I&#039;ll tell you why.
If I think back to 10 years ago, ADHD was something most people kept quiet and hush about. There were parents who even gave their 
young kids their Ritalin in hand to take midday on their own instead of through the school nurse all so their kids could avoid the stigma of the ADHD. 

Thats what I see stilk hapoeninng with kids and adults today in regard to various levels of emotional problems and mental illness. Sure it&#039;s more commom for people to see psychologists and psychiatrists but there is still that stigma that keeps people from talking freely about their challenges and getting the help they need. 

I also think that governments in general are not set up right to give the help to people who need it. The bueracracy can kill you.

I do think mental illness and addictions need to be solemn about more and bought to the forefront of the discussipn, not just to discuss and make people more aware but to help make changes in policy and make it easier for people to get the help they need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand the things you are saying yet I disagree and I&#039;ll tell you why.<br />
If I think back to 10 years ago, ADHD was something most people kept quiet and hush about. There were parents who even gave their<br />
young kids their Ritalin in hand to take midday on their own instead of through the school nurse all so their kids could avoid the stigma of the ADHD. </p>
<p>Thats what I see stilk hapoeninng with kids and adults today in regard to various levels of emotional problems and mental illness. Sure it&#039;s more commom for people to see psychologists and psychiatrists but there is still that stigma that keeps people from talking freely about their challenges and getting the help they need. </p>
<p>I also think that governments in general are not set up right to give the help to people who need it. The bueracracy can kill you.</p>
<p>I do think mental illness and addictions need to be solemn about more and bought to the forefront of the discussipn, not just to discuss and make people more aware but to help make changes in policy and make it easier for people to get the help they need.</p>
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		<title>By: אדם דוד מרקס</title>
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		<dc:creator>אדם דוד מרקס</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It may turn out that Lanza showed no violent tendencies and that this is just one of those horrible, freakish tragedies that could not have been prevented.

But that is not usually the case. Some may have borderline symptoms, but there are plenty that clearly have the potential for violence, and the way the laws &amp; policies are set up now, parents have few options until the child turns violent. Often, those options are temporary measures that leave the parents on their own again, even after a violent outburst.

This is a phenomenal piece by the mother of a boy that, by her own scared admission, could be capable of something like this:

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.co.il/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html

It&#039;s not about locking up people that seem a bit odd. You write that, &quot;by associating &#039;mental illness&#039; with evil people who shoot innocent children, you’re insulting the vast majority of people who live peacefully their whole lives with such current diagnoses as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, and any other “disorder” that society currently catalogues (remember when homosexuality was a mental illness?).

I won&#039;t make assumptions about your experiences with those with mental illness, but I have had a few. A friend in high school was schizophrenic (which you incorrectly imply may be like the way homosexuality used to be viewed). One night he drove home one of my best friends from a party. My best friend described it as one of the most terrifying experiences of his life, and that he was praying he&#039;d make it home safely.

I have also had a mentally ill man (as he later admitted) that at first blush simply seemed &quot;different&quot; try to pull a knife on me insisting we become blood brothers.

No one is saying that the geeks should be put away (I was a geek in high school!). People are saying that people that there need to be much better mechanisms for those that clearly have problems to ensure that they are unable to get guns BEFORE they commit a crime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may turn out that Lanza showed no violent tendencies and that this is just one of those horrible, freakish tragedies that could not have been prevented.</p>
<p>But that is not usually the case. Some may have borderline symptoms, but there are plenty that clearly have the potential for violence, and the way the laws &amp; policies are set up now, parents have few options until the child turns violent. Often, those options are temporary measures that leave the parents on their own again, even after a violent outburst.</p>
<p>This is a phenomenal piece by the mother of a boy that, by her own scared admission, could be capable of something like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.co.il/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html" rel="nofollow">http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.co.il/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html</a></p>
<p>It&#039;s not about locking up people that seem a bit odd. You write that, &quot;by associating &#039;mental illness&#039; with evil people who shoot innocent children, you’re insulting the vast majority of people who live peacefully their whole lives with such current diagnoses as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, and any other “disorder” that society currently catalogues (remember when homosexuality was a mental illness?).</p>
<p>I won&#039;t make assumptions about your experiences with those with mental illness, but I have had a few. A friend in high school was schizophrenic (which you incorrectly imply may be like the way homosexuality used to be viewed). One night he drove home one of my best friends from a party. My best friend described it as one of the most terrifying experiences of his life, and that he was praying he&#039;d make it home safely.</p>
<p>I have also had a mentally ill man (as he later admitted) that at first blush simply seemed &quot;different&quot; try to pull a knife on me insisting we become blood brothers.</p>
<p>No one is saying that the geeks should be put away (I was a geek in high school!). People are saying that people that there need to be much better mechanisms for those that clearly have problems to ensure that they are unable to get guns BEFORE they commit a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane McCamant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane McCamant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I got from this article was the ones who( every family knows someone with a handicap) is the demeaning way the press went off about autism linking it to mental disorder. Frankly unless you have worked with any challenged person be it autism or mental disorder one would know that they are usually the last to commit a crime. AS a Christian I detest when people bring in God as the reason as a nation we are experiencing this.HOw about the black death, plagues, hurricanes, tsunamis, anthrax, throughout the ages. They were pious Christians. It is not God that is mad because video games, movies , vampires and the occult we have had that through the ages. Not movies but violent operas and plays in the past look at  &quot;Macbeth or Hamlet&quot; nothing knew violence has been a part of the human condition. Grow up and stop blaming our country we have not turned our backs on God only a part of the country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I got from this article was the ones who( every family knows someone with a handicap) is the demeaning way the press went off about autism linking it to mental disorder. Frankly unless you have worked with any challenged person be it autism or mental disorder one would know that they are usually the last to commit a crime. AS a Christian I detest when people bring in God as the reason as a nation we are experiencing this.HOw about the black death, plagues, hurricanes, tsunamis, anthrax, throughout the ages. They were pious Christians. It is not God that is mad because video games, movies , vampires and the occult we have had that through the ages. Not movies but violent operas and plays in the past look at  &quot;Macbeth or Hamlet&quot; nothing knew violence has been a part of the human condition. Grow up and stop blaming our country we have not turned our backs on God only a part of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: John Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no argument that yes some people who have mental illness need treatment.  The argument can be made though about people who do evil things.  We like to codify them and say they were mentally ill or something was wrong.  That is in fact not true.  There are evil people.  There are people who do evil things.  Neither aspect makes  them mentally ill.

Lets just call it what it is.  Evil.  A person who can be thought of as generally in there right mind did and evil thing.  In this case they used a gun etc...As our long history tells us though, other evil men have used many other devices besides guns to kill innocent victims.  

The word needs to stop denying that evil exists because it does and this is just one more example of it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no argument that yes some people who have mental illness need treatment.  The argument can be made though about people who do evil things.  We like to codify them and say they were mentally ill or something was wrong.  That is in fact not true.  There are evil people.  There are people who do evil things.  Neither aspect makes  them mentally ill.</p>
<p>Lets just call it what it is.  Evil.  A person who can be thought of as generally in there right mind did and evil thing.  In this case they used a gun etc&#8230;As our long history tells us though, other evil men have used many other devices besides guns to kill innocent victims.  </p>
<p>The word needs to stop denying that evil exists because it does and this is just one more example of it.</p>
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