Comments on: In Israel-US relations, settlements are entirely beside the point http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/ The Marketplace of Ideas Mon, 20 May 2013 03:41:34 +0300 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Yisrael Medad http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80790 Yisrael Medad Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:58:29 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80790 Barry Shaw in JPost – http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=297597.

]]> By: Mary Jo Welch http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80794 Mary Jo Welch Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:24:58 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80794 The west bank and occupied territories were never Israel's to take, nor is East Jerusalem. Tel Aviv better get it together, as the nation's capital, the world watches as Likud continues to destroy any good will built by Rabin.

]]> By: Mary Jo Welch http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80792 Mary Jo Welch Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:14:42 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80792 Meir Liberman Truth be told? Do you *KNOW* the truth? If you've been living in and under the teachings of #ReligionLIKUD, you do not. The world rejects Netanyahu and the E1 settlements as they are on land that does not belong to Israel. You are naive and ignorant due to your youth.

]]> By: Levi Kofman http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80724 Levi Kofman Sun, 30 Dec 2012 05:23:49 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80724 The rapid increase in the death toll and violence should in addtion to giving us very good hindsight also provides some inconvenient turhts for the proponents of this concept – rather than moderate the Arab street it has done the exact opposite and radicalized the Arab street. It has emboldened the terrorists and has made their dream to destroy Israel look more and more like a reality. It has also made israel more isolated internationallly. Your contention that the key to peace is through "splitting" the land revises and over looks history. Wasn't there terrorism and voilance before the "occupation?" wasn't Israel isolated internationally in 1948 and 1967? Wasn't this befor the so called "occupation"?

]]> By: Mark Kerpine http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80720 Mark Kerpine Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:52:52 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80720 Sorry, just because Mr. Shamir wants the settlements to be beside the point doesn't make them so. #Wishfulthinking

]]> By: Mark Kerpine http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80722 Mark Kerpine Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:52:52 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80722 Sorry, just because Mr. Shamir wants the settlements to be beside the point doesn't make them so. #Wishfulthinking

]]> By: Mark Kerpine http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80728 Mark Kerpine Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:50:12 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80728 Shamir, like you, is regurgitating the viewpoint of fanatical rightwing Israelis, which has nothing to do with reality.

]]> By: Mark Kerpine http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80726 Mark Kerpine Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:49:23 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80726 Michal Dar-El There are 2 million Palestinians living on this land. Give them equal rights or prepare to be sanctioned for imposing an apartheid regime.

]]> By: Yisrael Medad http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80632 Yisrael Medad Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:28:44 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80632 oh, and this: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/12/are-the-palestinians-ready-to-share-a-state-with-jordan/266634/

]]> By: Michal Dar-El http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80634 Michal Dar-El Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:28:03 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80634 Judea and Samaria are NOT Arab land to give ;-)
But I like your thinking, Jake.

]]> By: Michal Dar-El http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80628 Michal Dar-El Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:26:02 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80628 West Bank?! LOL!!!

]]> By: Michal Dar-El http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80624 Michal Dar-El Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:22:24 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80624 Spot on, Mr. Shamir! Not only that the Arab-Israeli conflict doesn't interest the US in the light of other Middle East crises – it also stopped to interest the rest of the entire world.

]]> By: עמנואל שחף http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80626 עמנואל שחף Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:34:30 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80626 Counting the dead is a great way of encouraging the making of peace, Unfortunately you do just the opposite – why ? Don't you understand that we must split the land ? Is that so difficult to get into your head that if we don't the kiling won't stop ? I cannot guarantee you the the killing will stop if we do compromise but there certainly is a reasonable chance and in addition, we will then be fighting from a position of moral strength and internaitonal legitimacy and support.

]]> By: Yisrael Medad http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80630 Yisrael Medad Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:55:18 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80630 well, there's always something called the original Menachem Begin Autonomy Plan. Or no foreign armed forces west of the Jordan. Remember, just because Arabs reject Israelis suggestions, doesn't mean they are either wrong or not workable. For example, if one element of peace is "territorial compromise", why is it always Israel that must compromise? After all, in addition to tango, peace takes two. As for turning backs by western world, – been there, done that. We cannot place too much hope on that that would affect our own conception of what our security needs are for if the west does collapse, what will assure us it won't do it again, on a "better" human rights issue like "right of return"?

And, if I've mentioned "rights", no matter what, if Israel does not stream a message that the Jewish people have rights, no conversation, wither with the Arabs or the West, will be productive. Do to that lack of streaming, always the Arabs side gets the benefit.

]]> By: Levi Kofman http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-us-relations-settlements-are-entirely-beside-the-point/#comment-80252 Levi Kofman Fri, 28 Dec 2012 04:37:05 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=88704#comment-80252 Since we're exchanging facts…how many Israelis were killed in the 5 years after the signing of Oslo vs the number of Israelis killed in the 15 years prior? How many rockets were fired into Israel after the Gaza expulsion? How many wars did Israel fight after the Gaza expulsion? Land for "peace" has certainly bearing a lot of fruit. And you failed to answer my question from another thread – are you creating a new legal precedent in international law or just one law for Israel to follow and another law for other countries?

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