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		<title>By: Robert Taylor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75538</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay, friend, you have (as the saying goes) &quot;said a mouthful&quot;--in your last three words...and they are WELL worth remembering when one reads many, MANY of the blogs in TOI...which are long, turgid, legalistic, and purport to be lofty and impartial &quot;that&#039;s how it is&quot; definitive statements...when...in reality...they are just so much friggin&#039; &quot;spin.&quot; (and--all the best!)  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, friend, you have (as the saying goes) &quot;said a mouthful&quot;&#8211;in your last three words&#8230;and they are WELL worth remembering when one reads many, MANY of the blogs in TOI&#8230;which are long, turgid, legalistic, and purport to be lofty and impartial &quot;that&#039;s how it is&quot; definitive statements&#8230;when&#8230;in reality&#8230;they are just so much friggin&#039; &quot;spin.&quot; (and&#8211;all the best!)  </p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Gold Hadar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75512</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Gold Hadar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beautifully put.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifully put.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Gold Hadar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75514</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Gold Hadar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beautifully put.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifully put.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Yisrael Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75480</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Yisrael Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 22:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rina: you are touching on a very important topic. The centrality of semantics and terminology has become greatly magnified in the era of social media. Sometimes, it is the very terminology itself, rather than the reality that the terms are designed to describe, that defines the parameters of the battle of ideas!

This being said, I do not accept the position you are intrinsically trying to take in this article. There is no such thing as a disinterested, neutral observer. You say you are &quot;realistic&quot; - neither right nor left. I&#039;m sorry, but their ain&#039;t such an animal. One of the reasons for this is that &#039;left&#039; and &#039;right&#039; and &#039;realistic&#039; or &#039;idealistic&#039;  are almost always relative. One person&#039;s leftist is always for someone elses another person&#039;s ardent rightist.

So go ahead, don&#039;t worry - you can let it all hang out. Over time, your biases, like everyone else&#039;s, will eventually show themselves, no matter how hard you try to hide behind a veil of impartiality. No-one is impartial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rina: you are touching on a very important topic. The centrality of semantics and terminology has become greatly magnified in the era of social media. Sometimes, it is the very terminology itself, rather than the reality that the terms are designed to describe, that defines the parameters of the battle of ideas!</p>
<p>This being said, I do not accept the position you are intrinsically trying to take in this article. There is no such thing as a disinterested, neutral observer. You say you are &quot;realistic&quot; &#8211; neither right nor left. I&#039;m sorry, but their ain&#039;t such an animal. One of the reasons for this is that &#039;left&#039; and &#039;right&#039; and &#039;realistic&#039; or &#039;idealistic&#039;  are almost always relative. One person&#039;s leftist is always for someone elses another person&#039;s ardent rightist.</p>
<p>So go ahead, don&#039;t worry &#8211; you can let it all hang out. Over time, your biases, like everyone else&#039;s, will eventually show themselves, no matter how hard you try to hide behind a veil of impartiality. No-one is impartial.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Winter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75460</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 21:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So close, yet so critically off the mark in one regard: What you seem to seek is something called Progressive Zionism, not progressive nationalism. Progressive is a label that accurately describes a political impulse that is the opposite of being regressive. Conservatives tend to be nostalgic for a non-existent past, thereby tending to offend the sensibilities of those on the left because they are blind to the fact that those &quot;good old days&quot; existed only as a function of the exploitation of women, people of color, other non-privileged &quot;minorities.&quot; There was a short lived period of ascendancy in Canada for a party named Progressive Conservative and one of the arguments against it focused on the apparently oxymoronic name. Nationalism is by nature regressive and anti-humanist. Outsiders could argue that &quot;Progressive Zionism&quot; is no different than &quot;Progressive Nationalism&quot; because they equate zionism with nationalism, which is untrue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So close, yet so critically off the mark in one regard: What you seem to seek is something called Progressive Zionism, not progressive nationalism. Progressive is a label that accurately describes a political impulse that is the opposite of being regressive. Conservatives tend to be nostalgic for a non-existent past, thereby tending to offend the sensibilities of those on the left because they are blind to the fact that those &quot;good old days&quot; existed only as a function of the exploitation of women, people of color, other non-privileged &quot;minorities.&quot; There was a short lived period of ascendancy in Canada for a party named Progressive Conservative and one of the arguments against it focused on the apparently oxymoronic name. Nationalism is by nature regressive and anti-humanist. Outsiders could argue that &quot;Progressive Zionism&quot; is no different than &quot;Progressive Nationalism&quot; because they equate zionism with nationalism, which is untrue.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Werdine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75462</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Werdine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point. Another problem is that the Palestinians, at least their leaders in both &quot;states&quot;  view compromise and peaceful co-existence in terms of surrender and shame. This makes for difficulties.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. Another problem is that the Palestinians, at least their leaders in both &quot;states&quot;  view compromise and peaceful co-existence in terms of surrender and shame. This makes for difficulties.  </p>
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		<title>By: Jeroen Huijsinga</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75458</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeroen Huijsinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If people don&#039;t like eachother or their behaviour, they will always find words to express themselves. It is the act that comes first. That is what counts; no words, how finely chosen, can cover that up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people don&#039;t like eachother or their behaviour, they will always find words to express themselves. It is the act that comes first. That is what counts; no words, how finely chosen, can cover that up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Shaffer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75454</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I want a cognitive reality that neatly defined terms defy.&quot; Count me in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I want a cognitive reality that neatly defined terms defy.&quot; Count me in.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Shaffer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75456</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I want a cognitive reality that neatly defined terms defy.&quot; Count me in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I want a cognitive reality that neatly defined terms defy.&quot; Count me in.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilan Toren</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75362</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilan Toren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait.  Most of the Likud and Israel Beiteinu do agree with most of Judea and Sasmaria (All of area, A, B and most of C ) as being part of a future Palestinian state.  That is a compromise position but  the Palestinians want all of Judea and Samaria as a starting position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait.  Most of the Likud and Israel Beiteinu do agree with most of Judea and Sasmaria (All of area, A, B and most of C ) as being part of a future Palestinian state.  That is a compromise position but  the Palestinians want all of Judea and Samaria as a starting position.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Meijler-Gross</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75284</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Meijler-Gross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rina, an excellent post, I couldn&#039;t agree more.  We need to stop putting one another into little boxes with labels and assume just because someone has a particular opinion, that we can sum them up in a sentence.  It&#039;s time to start listening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rina, an excellent post, I couldn&#039;t agree more.  We need to stop putting one another into little boxes with labels and assume just because someone has a particular opinion, that we can sum them up in a sentence.  It&#039;s time to start listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Taylor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75280</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[F&amp;O! And DON&#039;T go paranoid!...there&#039;s FAR more (in my opinion, of course) paranoids floating around than the situation arguably calls for!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F&amp;O! And DON&#039;T go paranoid!&#8230;there&#039;s FAR more (in my opinion, of course) paranoids floating around than the situation arguably calls for!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75278</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ It&#039;s a work-around at the moment, Bob. I&#039;m not yet back on FB and even my AOL account is playing up a little bit. If I were the paranoid type, I&#039;d have the feeling someone was out to get me. Maybe &#039;psalm&#039; is involved in this somewhere. Who knows?
Still, as I&#039;ve often heard it said, &#039;Onward and Upward.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It&#039;s a work-around at the moment, Bob. I&#039;m not yet back on FB and even my AOL account is playing up a little bit. If I were the paranoid type, I&#039;d have the feeling someone was out to get me. Maybe &#039;psalm&#039; is involved in this somewhere. Who knows?<br />
Still, as I&#039;ve often heard it said, &#039;Onward and Upward.&#039;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Taylor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75276</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, there is an engaging character (popular now, albeit in re-runs, for at least 40 years) on Spanish language TV...called &quot;Chapulin Colorado&quot; (aka &quot;the Red Grasshopper, in Mexican Spanish), a sort of comedic Superman type...who...upon vanquishing the foe...strikes an heroic pose...and proclaims &quot;No contaban con mi astucia!&quot;...which translates as &quot;They didn&#039;t count on my astuteness!&quot; (as they failed to count on yours!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, there is an engaging character (popular now, albeit in re-runs, for at least 40 years) on Spanish language TV&#8230;called &quot;Chapulin Colorado&quot; (aka &quot;the Red Grasshopper, in Mexican Spanish), a sort of comedic Superman type&#8230;who&#8230;upon vanquishing the foe&#8230;strikes an heroic pose&#8230;and proclaims &quot;No contaban con mi astucia!&quot;&#8230;which translates as &quot;They didn&#039;t count on my astuteness!&quot; (as they failed to count on yours!)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Taylor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/language-labels-and-the-arab-israeli-conflict/#comment-75274</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congrats! You figured out how to by-pass the blockage...(or as has often been said: &quot;One underestimates a native of Wirral at his or her peril!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats! You figured out how to by-pass the blockage&#8230;(or as has often been said: &quot;One underestimates a native of Wirral at his or her peril!)</p>
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