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		<title>By: Uri Schneider</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-85484</link>
		<dc:creator>Uri Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meir - I&#039;m sorry but your analysis is rather poor and shallow and full of demagoguery. You are portraying a completely inaccurate picture of Naftali Bennett&#039;s views. I urge you to read/listen to his words in more depth rather than taking a cartoon literally or face-value. Naftali Bennet&#039;s platform is based on a notion that territorial concessions at this time will not bring peace or security - on the contrary. Based on the actions of the Palestinians he concluded that there&#039;s no real solution to this conflict in our generation that will ensure Israel&#039;s security while maintaining our own self-determination. Of course that’s a debatable point of view and you’re more than welcome to argue why you disagree.   

As far as I know, Bennett is basing this conclusion on the previous experience we had in Gaza for example and on the Palestinians’ own statements and actions. Hamas is not interested in peace with Israel that leaves room for an independent Israel with Jewish self-determination. The probability of Hamas taking over the West Bank AFTER a peace-deal with Fatah is agreed upon for large territorial concessions is HUGE. He can factually defend his notions. Hopefully you can too by presenting facts and logical arguments rather than inaccurately simplifying Bennett’s entire ideological platform – which is not hidden and mostly available online -- into a slide from a cartoon which you chose to highlight. 

As if you really believe that Naftali Bennett actually thinks that &quot;settler civilians will physically protect us from invading Iranian tanks – or “ … he believes to be the likely scenario of Iran’s tanks reaching Iran’s border, then invading Iraq, then invading Jordan, we are going to throw Israeli women and children living in annexed parts of West Bank at those tanks in order to defend ourselves” - as you put it. Give me a break! 

What Bennet claims – since the symbolism of the Iranian tank in the cartoon evaded you -- is that by turning the entire West Bank into an independent Palestine we will further deteriorate Israel&#039;s security position because that
1.	 will enable the Palestinians to amass a regular army against us, 
2.	to facilitate Iran&#039;s destructive influence in the West Bank just like in Gaza, 
3.	and the danger of 4-5 millions descendants of 1948 refugees flood the West Bank and the spill-over effects of this into Israel which will likely lead to Israel’s demise. 
4.	Hamas may take over and the war to “liberate” the rest of Israel will go into the next stage. Hamas is not differentiating between the West Bank and the rest of Israel. Don’t take my word for it, listen to their own words and texts and look at their actions.  

Don&#039;t you think that these four factors are plausible and a threat to the self-determination of the Jewish people in Israel, especially if we opt for Meretz’s policies which you now apparently support?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meir &#8211; I&#039;m sorry but your analysis is rather poor and shallow and full of demagoguery. You are portraying a completely inaccurate picture of Naftali Bennett&#039;s views. I urge you to read/listen to his words in more depth rather than taking a cartoon literally or face-value. Naftali Bennet&#039;s platform is based on a notion that territorial concessions at this time will not bring peace or security &#8211; on the contrary. Based on the actions of the Palestinians he concluded that there&#039;s no real solution to this conflict in our generation that will ensure Israel&#039;s security while maintaining our own self-determination. Of course that’s a debatable point of view and you’re more than welcome to argue why you disagree.   </p>
<p>As far as I know, Bennett is basing this conclusion on the previous experience we had in Gaza for example and on the Palestinians’ own statements and actions. Hamas is not interested in peace with Israel that leaves room for an independent Israel with Jewish self-determination. The probability of Hamas taking over the West Bank AFTER a peace-deal with Fatah is agreed upon for large territorial concessions is HUGE. He can factually defend his notions. Hopefully you can too by presenting facts and logical arguments rather than inaccurately simplifying Bennett’s entire ideological platform – which is not hidden and mostly available online &#8212; into a slide from a cartoon which you chose to highlight. </p>
<p>As if you really believe that Naftali Bennett actually thinks that &quot;settler civilians will physically protect us from invading Iranian tanks – or “ … he believes to be the likely scenario of Iran’s tanks reaching Iran’s border, then invading Iraq, then invading Jordan, we are going to throw Israeli women and children living in annexed parts of West Bank at those tanks in order to defend ourselves” &#8211; as you put it. Give me a break! </p>
<p>What Bennet claims – since the symbolism of the Iranian tank in the cartoon evaded you &#8212; is that by turning the entire West Bank into an independent Palestine we will further deteriorate Israel&#039;s security position because that<br />
1.	 will enable the Palestinians to amass a regular army against us,<br />
2.	to facilitate Iran&#039;s destructive influence in the West Bank just like in Gaza,<br />
3.	and the danger of 4-5 millions descendants of 1948 refugees flood the West Bank and the spill-over effects of this into Israel which will likely lead to Israel’s demise.<br />
4.	Hamas may take over and the war to “liberate” the rest of Israel will go into the next stage. Hamas is not differentiating between the West Bank and the rest of Israel. Don’t take my word for it, listen to their own words and texts and look at their actions.  </p>
<p>Don&#039;t you think that these four factors are plausible and a threat to the self-determination of the Jewish people in Israel, especially if we opt for Meretz’s policies which you now apparently support?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Gutman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-84624</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Gutman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally disagree. Having houses in Area C emphasizes Israel&#039;s sovereignty over the area and we don&#039;t need excuses to control areas populated by Israeli citizens. Both Jew and Arab.. Which makes the security situation more definite. I am voting for Bennett. I do not think he&#039;s a RIGHT WING Nut..I think he&#039;s RIGHT..He even said he doesn&#039;t want to expel Jews from their homes NOR ARAB...I&#039;ve been at Bennett events with his supporters..Former leftists, orthodox and yes..Even Atheists..Who believe that this place is our only home..Let&#039;s see the people of Sderot, under rocket attack for years try to request asylum in any European country..While we let many false refugees into Israel just so they can work..Now, we face a population explosion of over 100,000 Africans who are mostly Muslim and believe me..Do not love us..Naftali I feel is the best choice out there..We have to deal our enemies a heavy blow so they will leave us alone to live a life of Freedom..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree. Having houses in Area C emphasizes Israel&#039;s sovereignty over the area and we don&#039;t need excuses to control areas populated by Israeli citizens. Both Jew and Arab.. Which makes the security situation more definite. I am voting for Bennett. I do not think he&#039;s a RIGHT WING Nut..I think he&#039;s RIGHT..He even said he doesn&#039;t want to expel Jews from their homes NOR ARAB&#8230;I&#039;ve been at Bennett events with his supporters..Former leftists, orthodox and yes..Even Atheists..Who believe that this place is our only home..Let&#039;s see the people of Sderot, under rocket attack for years try to request asylum in any European country..While we let many false refugees into Israel just so they can work..Now, we face a population explosion of over 100,000 Africans who are mostly Muslim and believe me..Do not love us..Naftali I feel is the best choice out there..We have to deal our enemies a heavy blow so they will leave us alone to live a life of Freedom..</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Gutman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-84626</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Gutman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally disagree. Having houses in Area C emphasizes Israel&#039;s sovereignty over the area and we don&#039;t need excuses to control areas populated by Israeli citizens. Both Jew and Arab.. Which makes the security situation more definite. I am voting for Bennett. I do not think he&#039;s a RIGHT WING Nut..I think he&#039;s RIGHT..He even said he doesn&#039;t want to expel Jews from their homes NOR ARAB...I&#039;ve been at Bennett events with his supporters..Former leftists, orthodox and yes..Even Atheists..Who believe that this place is our only home..Let&#039;s see the people of Sderot, under rocket attack for years try to request asylum in any European country..While we let many false refugees into Israel just so they can work..Now, we face a population explosion of over 100,000 Africans who are mostly Muslim and believe me..Do not love us..Naftali I feel is the best choice out there..We have to deal our enemies a heavy blow so they will leave us alone to live a life of Freedom..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree. Having houses in Area C emphasizes Israel&#039;s sovereignty over the area and we don&#039;t need excuses to control areas populated by Israeli citizens. Both Jew and Arab.. Which makes the security situation more definite. I am voting for Bennett. I do not think he&#039;s a RIGHT WING Nut..I think he&#039;s RIGHT..He even said he doesn&#039;t want to expel Jews from their homes NOR ARAB&#8230;I&#039;ve been at Bennett events with his supporters..Former leftists, orthodox and yes..Even Atheists..Who believe that this place is our only home..Let&#039;s see the people of Sderot, under rocket attack for years try to request asylum in any European country..While we let many false refugees into Israel just so they can work..Now, we face a population explosion of over 100,000 Africans who are mostly Muslim and believe me..Do not love us..Naftali I feel is the best choice out there..We have to deal our enemies a heavy blow so they will leave us alone to live a life of Freedom..</p>
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		<title>By: Zelda Harris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-84492</link>
		<dc:creator>Zelda Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 22:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kol Hakavod to the writer  as they say&quot;good thinking, batman&quot;! Seriously I was thinking about TZIPPY but at the end of the day perhaps better to go for the largest left party.
Good luck to us all going to be a bumpy ride ahead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kol Hakavod to the writer  as they say&quot;good thinking, batman&quot;! Seriously I was thinking about TZIPPY but at the end of the day perhaps better to go for the largest left party.<br />
Good luck to us all going to be a bumpy ride ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: Herbert Kaine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-84490</link>
		<dc:creator>Herbert Kaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not vote for Morsi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not vote for Morsi.</p>
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		<title>By: Levi Kofman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-83990</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi Kofman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 07:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, whoever offers a differing perspective is a nutcase  on the attack. We all know how the modern day egalitierian darlings of socialism love and tolerate a variety of views and more importantly dissent. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, whoever offers a differing perspective is a nutcase  on the attack. We all know how the modern day egalitierian darlings of socialism love and tolerate a variety of views and more importantly dissent. </p>
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		<title>By: Levi Kofman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-83988</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi Kofman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 04:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What witty and deep analysis. bennett convinced you to vote for him because he advocates throwing women and children in front of Iranian tanks? Haha, you&#039;re so funny. Did you use that line as part of your stand up gig at a cocktail party for the Israeli foreign ministry staff, EU diplomats, Haaretz journalists and other members of the chattering class? Perhaps, you&#039;re next stand up gig should contain references to all the rockets, money and weapons that both Hamas and Fatah get from Iran? Perhaps you should mention all the Israelis that were murdered by Iranian trained terrorists with Iranian weapons? That would get all the champaign socialists rolling on the floor with laughter! You say Israelis are better off thanks to Oslo? I dare you to go up to all th families who have lost loved ones and say that comical one line with a straight face. I dare you to go say that to over 1 million Israelis who have live under constant rocket barrages. Life isn&#039;t a cocktail party, life isn&#039;t found in a latte. Live in the real world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What witty and deep analysis. bennett convinced you to vote for him because he advocates throwing women and children in front of Iranian tanks? Haha, you&#039;re so funny. Did you use that line as part of your stand up gig at a cocktail party for the Israeli foreign ministry staff, EU diplomats, Haaretz journalists and other members of the chattering class? Perhaps, you&#039;re next stand up gig should contain references to all the rockets, money and weapons that both Hamas and Fatah get from Iran? Perhaps you should mention all the Israelis that were murdered by Iranian trained terrorists with Iranian weapons? That would get all the champaign socialists rolling on the floor with laughter! You say Israelis are better off thanks to Oslo? I dare you to go up to all th families who have lost loved ones and say that comical one line with a straight face. I dare you to go say that to over 1 million Israelis who have live under constant rocket barrages. Life isn&#039;t a cocktail party, life isn&#039;t found in a latte. Live in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilan Toren</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-83984</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilan Toren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 19:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Straw man argument.  Clint is a better actor.  You are more like a debate beet even two empty chairs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straw man argument.  Clint is a better actor.  You are more like a debate beet even two empty chairs</p>
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		<title>By: Ilan Toren</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-83986</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilan Toren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 19:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Straw man argument.  Clint is a better actor.  You are more like a debate beet even two empty chairs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straw man argument.  Clint is a better actor.  You are more like a debate beet even two empty chairs</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ariel Saltiel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-83558</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ariel Saltiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 23:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points about Bennett, but I don&#039;t see the rationale for voting Meretz.  A strong center bloc seems like the best way to stop messianic crazies from setting the agenda.  Vote Hatnua or better yet Yesh Atid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points about Bennett, but I don&#039;t see the rationale for voting Meretz.  A strong center bloc seems like the best way to stop messianic crazies from setting the agenda.  Vote Hatnua or better yet Yesh Atid.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-83556</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 23:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good analysis. We also don&#039;t need Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa. We only need army bases, right? Sorry, that&#039;s not how it works. Strategic depth is more important than anything else in the war. Frankly, the best plan was Alon Plan of Labour Party after 1967: anex Jordan Valley and strategic parts of Judea and Samaria. Because Arab tanks from Jordan can really be coming one day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis. We also don&#039;t need Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa. We only need army bases, right? Sorry, that&#039;s not how it works. Strategic depth is more important than anything else in the war. Frankly, the best plan was Alon Plan of Labour Party after 1967: anex Jordan Valley and strategic parts of Judea and Samaria. Because Arab tanks from Jordan can really be coming one day.</p>
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		<title>By: Zsofi Zsilinszky</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-83554</link>
		<dc:creator>Zsofi Zsilinszky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Javedanfar, a few points about your article:

a) Certainly it hasn&#039;t escaped your attention that Iran uses proxies against Israel, such as Hezbollah and Hamas. Pretending that Iran needs its army to depart from Iran, cross through Iraq, etc. seems a deliberate attempt to make fun of a very real threat which is terrorist proxies. At the very least, you should have mentioned the problem of terrorist groups operating near a future Israeli border in the West Bank, and how annexation helps (or does not help) the IDF in border control.

b) Annexing Area C doesn&#039;t only mean that there are houses with women and children inside. It also means the IDF is there to stay, as opposed to other scenarios, perhaps by candidate Livni, when land is given over to a predictably hostile Palestinian state. Land that goes to the Palestinians is obviously not controlled by the IDF, whereas land annexed by Israel is. Again, this is not a complicated conclusion, I have a hard time believing you missed it. It seems you&#039;re setting up a straw man and defeat it instead of seriously considering Bennet&#039;s points.

c) Speculating that Bennet only wants to do this because he&#039;s religious is an ad hominem argument. Mr. Javedanfar, you&#039;re not a psychic, you don&#039;t read minds. Or if you do, you can make a fortune out of it rather than writing articles about half-digested moves of military strategy. It&#039;s better to stick with what a person is saying and try to come up with valid claims against the ideas themselves. The advantages and disadvantages of annexation can be discussed without trying to discredit the source by speculating about his supposed intentions. (Plus, suggesting that religious claims to the land are so stupid that they shouldn&#039;t even be considered and don&#039;t express the will of Israelis at all, is a statement that needs to be supported by seriously good arguments, not just thrown out there casually.)

d) In the question of Oslo, you compare the peace accords with the option of doing nothing to influence the situation in Gaza and the West Bank. But obviously the government would have done *something* instead of nothing if Oslo hadn&#039;t happened. You&#039;re not taking this into account, you just say that Oslo was better than doing nothing. This is not a correct way to justify any political step, let alone the giving up of land and signing of a peace treaty that has by now pretty much proven to be a dead end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Javedanfar, a few points about your article:</p>
<p>a) Certainly it hasn&#039;t escaped your attention that Iran uses proxies against Israel, such as Hezbollah and Hamas. Pretending that Iran needs its army to depart from Iran, cross through Iraq, etc. seems a deliberate attempt to make fun of a very real threat which is terrorist proxies. At the very least, you should have mentioned the problem of terrorist groups operating near a future Israeli border in the West Bank, and how annexation helps (or does not help) the IDF in border control.</p>
<p>b) Annexing Area C doesn&#039;t only mean that there are houses with women and children inside. It also means the IDF is there to stay, as opposed to other scenarios, perhaps by candidate Livni, when land is given over to a predictably hostile Palestinian state. Land that goes to the Palestinians is obviously not controlled by the IDF, whereas land annexed by Israel is. Again, this is not a complicated conclusion, I have a hard time believing you missed it. It seems you&#039;re setting up a straw man and defeat it instead of seriously considering Bennet&#039;s points.</p>
<p>c) Speculating that Bennet only wants to do this because he&#039;s religious is an ad hominem argument. Mr. Javedanfar, you&#039;re not a psychic, you don&#039;t read minds. Or if you do, you can make a fortune out of it rather than writing articles about half-digested moves of military strategy. It&#039;s better to stick with what a person is saying and try to come up with valid claims against the ideas themselves. The advantages and disadvantages of annexation can be discussed without trying to discredit the source by speculating about his supposed intentions. (Plus, suggesting that religious claims to the land are so stupid that they shouldn&#039;t even be considered and don&#039;t express the will of Israelis at all, is a statement that needs to be supported by seriously good arguments, not just thrown out there casually.)</p>
<p>d) In the question of Oslo, you compare the peace accords with the option of doing nothing to influence the situation in Gaza and the West Bank. But obviously the government would have done *something* instead of nothing if Oslo hadn&#039;t happened. You&#039;re not taking this into account, you just say that Oslo was better than doing nothing. This is not a correct way to justify any political step, let alone the giving up of land and signing of a peace treaty that has by now pretty much proven to be a dead end.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerardo Stawsky</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-83550</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerardo Stawsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meir Javedanfar, interesting and sobering analysis. Brace for a barrage of right wing nuts attacks: now that the Moldavian thug is trying to save his butt, Nutsftali Bennet is the new darling of the crazies (he brings the whole enchilada, including calls for soldiers to disobey orders).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meir Javedanfar, interesting and sobering analysis. Brace for a barrage of right wing nuts attacks: now that the Moldavian thug is trying to save his butt, Nutsftali Bennet is the new darling of the crazies (he brings the whole enchilada, including calls for soldiers to disobey orders).</p>
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		<title>By: Gerardo Stawsky</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennet-is-convincing-me/#comment-83552</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerardo Stawsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meir Javedanfar, interesting and sobering analysis. Brace for a barrage of right wing nuts attacks: now that the Moldavian thug is trying to save his butt, Nutsftali Bennet is the new darling of the crazies (he brings the whole enchilada, including calls for soldiers to disobey orders).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meir Javedanfar, interesting and sobering analysis. Brace for a barrage of right wing nuts attacks: now that the Moldavian thug is trying to save his butt, Nutsftali Bennet is the new darling of the crazies (he brings the whole enchilada, including calls for soldiers to disobey orders).</p>
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