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	<title>Comments on: Natural bedfellows: Tzipi Livni’s Hatnua and the Green Movement</title>
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		<title>By: Shlomo Toren</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75532</link>
		<dc:creator>Shlomo Toren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have loads of respect for Alon Tal and consider myself &quot;green&quot; myself, but the first thought I had when when I heard that the Greens where running with Livni was that here was another case of crass political opportunism. Really Livni was just searching for some content to tag behind her in her last and lost run to public office and Alon Tal and the Greens are just tagging along for the ride.  The price , I suppose, for the Greens is  minimal and it is perhaps the only way Tal can get into the Knesset.  Hopefully the dirt and mud that will be splashed on the Greens  will be non toxic and temporary.

Tal, of course can be as Leftist as he wishes, but environmental issues are far deeper and important to be relegated only to the Left.   Settlers too desire a &quot;greener&quot; Israel and our concerns, mudane as they may seem, need to concern Tal and the Green Party.  We have near us  illegal trash dumps where trash is burned (why also on Shabbat?),  sewage flowing through river basins and trucks spewing toxic fumes (didn&#039;t even mention the illegal charocal pits ).  The environmnetal movement has been largely silent about Arab violations of the environment and the feeling on the Right is that for the Left, politics trumps everyting.

AS for intellectual honesty, I feel that Tal is putting us on a bit.  Rabin?  Environment? WHo is he kidding?  Rabin inheritated the best military situation of the last 20 years.  Lebanon was basically quiet (remember Efi Eitam?) , the first Gulf War was over and Iraq was scratched off the list of effective enemies and the Soviet Union had just collapsed to its various parts and no longer a threat.  Also the First Intifada was all but over after not a few arms and legs had been broken amongst the Arabs.  SO of course Rabin was able to reduce the Defence budget, at least temporarily until Arafat and his gangs were able to establish themselves 10 minutes from Kfar Saba and to cause  Israel to increase military spending again.

In short, Tal is indeed allowed to think what he wants about the connection between &quot;peace&quot; and the environment.  Just don&#039;t lay the BS to deep;  too much nitrates is bad for the environment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have loads of respect for Alon Tal and consider myself &quot;green&quot; myself, but the first thought I had when when I heard that the Greens where running with Livni was that here was another case of crass political opportunism. Really Livni was just searching for some content to tag behind her in her last and lost run to public office and Alon Tal and the Greens are just tagging along for the ride.  The price , I suppose, for the Greens is  minimal and it is perhaps the only way Tal can get into the Knesset.  Hopefully the dirt and mud that will be splashed on the Greens  will be non toxic and temporary.</p>
<p>Tal, of course can be as Leftist as he wishes, but environmental issues are far deeper and important to be relegated only to the Left.   Settlers too desire a &quot;greener&quot; Israel and our concerns, mudane as they may seem, need to concern Tal and the Green Party.  We have near us  illegal trash dumps where trash is burned (why also on Shabbat?),  sewage flowing through river basins and trucks spewing toxic fumes (didn&#039;t even mention the illegal charocal pits ).  The environmnetal movement has been largely silent about Arab violations of the environment and the feeling on the Right is that for the Left, politics trumps everyting.</p>
<p>AS for intellectual honesty, I feel that Tal is putting us on a bit.  Rabin?  Environment? WHo is he kidding?  Rabin inheritated the best military situation of the last 20 years.  Lebanon was basically quiet (remember Efi Eitam?) , the first Gulf War was over and Iraq was scratched off the list of effective enemies and the Soviet Union had just collapsed to its various parts and no longer a threat.  Also the First Intifada was all but over after not a few arms and legs had been broken amongst the Arabs.  SO of course Rabin was able to reduce the Defence budget, at least temporarily until Arafat and his gangs were able to establish themselves 10 minutes from Kfar Saba and to cause  Israel to increase military spending again.</p>
<p>In short, Tal is indeed allowed to think what he wants about the connection between &quot;peace&quot; and the environment.  Just don&#039;t lay the BS to deep;  too much nitrates is bad for the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Shlomo Toren</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75534</link>
		<dc:creator>Shlomo Toren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have loads of respect for Alon Tal and consider myself &quot;green&quot; myself, but the first thought I had when when I heard that the Greens where running with Livni was that here was another case of crass political opportunism. Really Livni was just searching for some content to tag behind her in her last and lost run to public office and Alon Tal and the Greens are just tagging along for the ride.  The price , I suppose, for the Greens is  minimal and it is perhaps the only way Tal can get into the Knesset.  Hopefully the dirt and mud that will be splashed on the Greens  will be non toxic and temporary.

Tal, of course can be as Leftist as he wishes, but environmental issues are far deeper and important to be relegated only to the Left.   Settlers too desire a &quot;greener&quot; Israel and our concerns, mudane as they may seem, need to concern Tal and the Green Party.  We have near us  illegal trash dumps where trash is burned (why also on Shabbat?),  sewage flowing through river basins and trucks spewing toxic fumes (didn&#039;t even mention the illegal charocal pits ).  The environmnetal movement has been largely silent about Arab violations of the environment and the feeling on the Right is that for the Left, politics trumps everyting.

AS for intellectual honesty, I feel that Tal is putting us on a bit.  Rabin?  Environment? WHo is he kidding?  Rabin inheritated the best military situation of the last 20 years.  Lebanon was basically quiet (remember Efi Eitam?) , the first Gulf War was over and Iraq was scratched off the list of effective enemies and the Soviet Union had just collapsed to its various parts and no longer a threat.  Also the First Intifada was all but over after not a few arms and legs had been broken amongst the Arabs.  SO of course Rabin was able to reduce the Defence budget, at least temporarily until Arafat and his gangs were able to establish themselves 10 minutes from Kfar Saba and to cause  Israel to increase military spending again.

In short, Tal is indeed allowed to think what he wants about the connection between &quot;peace&quot; and the environment.  Just don&#039;t lay the BS to deep;  too much nitrates is bad for the environment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have loads of respect for Alon Tal and consider myself &quot;green&quot; myself, but the first thought I had when when I heard that the Greens where running with Livni was that here was another case of crass political opportunism. Really Livni was just searching for some content to tag behind her in her last and lost run to public office and Alon Tal and the Greens are just tagging along for the ride.  The price , I suppose, for the Greens is  minimal and it is perhaps the only way Tal can get into the Knesset.  Hopefully the dirt and mud that will be splashed on the Greens  will be non toxic and temporary.</p>
<p>Tal, of course can be as Leftist as he wishes, but environmental issues are far deeper and important to be relegated only to the Left.   Settlers too desire a &quot;greener&quot; Israel and our concerns, mudane as they may seem, need to concern Tal and the Green Party.  We have near us  illegal trash dumps where trash is burned (why also on Shabbat?),  sewage flowing through river basins and trucks spewing toxic fumes (didn&#039;t even mention the illegal charocal pits ).  The environmnetal movement has been largely silent about Arab violations of the environment and the feeling on the Right is that for the Left, politics trumps everyting.</p>
<p>AS for intellectual honesty, I feel that Tal is putting us on a bit.  Rabin?  Environment? WHo is he kidding?  Rabin inheritated the best military situation of the last 20 years.  Lebanon was basically quiet (remember Efi Eitam?) , the first Gulf War was over and Iraq was scratched off the list of effective enemies and the Soviet Union had just collapsed to its various parts and no longer a threat.  Also the First Intifada was all but over after not a few arms and legs had been broken amongst the Arabs.  SO of course Rabin was able to reduce the Defence budget, at least temporarily until Arafat and his gangs were able to establish themselves 10 minutes from Kfar Saba and to cause  Israel to increase military spending again.</p>
<p>In short, Tal is indeed allowed to think what he wants about the connection between &quot;peace&quot; and the environment.  Just don&#039;t lay the BS to deep;  too much nitrates is bad for the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75500</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a member of the Green Zionist Alliance, a big fan of Alon Tal, arguably Israel&#039;s most outstanding environmentalist, and someone with 2 daughters and their families living in Israel, I am very happy that this alliance has been formed. I wish them much success. It is important that Israel&#039;s environmental, economic, social, and other domestic problems be addressed and that there be a comprehensive, sustainable resolution of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, one which protects Israel&#039;s security.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of the Green Zionist Alliance, a big fan of Alon Tal, arguably Israel&#039;s most outstanding environmentalist, and someone with 2 daughters and their families living in Israel, I am very happy that this alliance has been formed. I wish them much success. It is important that Israel&#039;s environmental, economic, social, and other domestic problems be addressed and that there be a comprehensive, sustainable resolution of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, one which protects Israel&#039;s security.</p>
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		<title>By: Batya Bauman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75414</link>
		<dc:creator>Batya Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a member of the Green Zionist Alliance and as a fan of Tzipi Livni, I am delighted that they have joined forces. I also note with much satisfaction that animal welfare issues are part of the agenda.  I hope they will be able to make a substantial impact on  environmental and animal welfare/rights issues as well as on the issue of peace with Palestine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of the Green Zionist Alliance and as a fan of Tzipi Livni, I am delighted that they have joined forces. I also note with much satisfaction that animal welfare issues are part of the agenda.  I hope they will be able to make a substantial impact on  environmental and animal welfare/rights issues as well as on the issue of peace with Palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ringo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75384</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Ringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just don&#039;t let external threats be a diversion from what needs to be done. Once adequate policies (including water systems, recycling, responsible industry policies, clean water initiatives) are in place and determined, the rest will fall in place.  Ya&#039; gotta do what ya&#039; gotta do for quality of life regardless. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just don&#039;t let external threats be a diversion from what needs to be done. Once adequate policies (including water systems, recycling, responsible industry policies, clean water initiatives) are in place and determined, the rest will fall in place.  Ya&#039; gotta do what ya&#039; gotta do for quality of life regardless. </p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Melamed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75382</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb Melamed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Big mistake on the part of the Greens.  Their issues will have very low priority to the Hatnua pols.  Labor (or Meretz) is a natural fit for ecologists, centrist Hatnua is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big mistake on the part of the Greens.  Their issues will have very low priority to the Hatnua pols.  Labor (or Meretz) is a natural fit for ecologists, centrist Hatnua is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Shai Secunda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75340</link>
		<dc:creator>Shai Secunda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh come on. You&#039;re not trying at all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on. You&#039;re not trying at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Elli Fischer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75334</link>
		<dc:creator>Elli Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really, I&#039;m trying to avoid the scatological possibilities that Livni&#039;s movement invites, but when someone suggest that Tzipi&#039;s Movement should turn green, I can&#039;t help it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, I&#039;m trying to avoid the scatological possibilities that Livni&#039;s movement invites, but when someone suggest that Tzipi&#039;s Movement should turn green, I can&#039;t help it.</p>
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		<title>By: Elli Fischer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75336</link>
		<dc:creator>Elli Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really, I&#039;m trying to avoid the scatological possibilities that Livni&#039;s movement invites, but when someone suggest that Tzipi&#039;s Movement should turn green, I can&#039;t help it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, I&#039;m trying to avoid the scatological possibilities that Livni&#039;s movement invites, but when someone suggest that Tzipi&#039;s Movement should turn green, I can&#039;t help it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Winter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75264</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Synergy, hope, who cares what you call it. Winning elections is much more about getting one&#039;s hands dirty and doing than it is about idealistic dreams and talking. Get on with out. And if it doesn&#039;t offend your Green sensibilities too much, leave a little time to do some praying that you have a legitimate partner with whom to negotiate peace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Synergy, hope, who cares what you call it. Winning elections is much more about getting one&#039;s hands dirty and doing than it is about idealistic dreams and talking. Get on with out. And if it doesn&#039;t offend your Green sensibilities too much, leave a little time to do some praying that you have a legitimate partner with whom to negotiate peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Winter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75262</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Synergy, hope, who cares what you call it. Winning elections is much more about getting one&#039;s hands dirty and doing than it is about idealistic dreams and talking. Get on with out. And if it doesn&#039;t offend your Green sensibilities too much, leave a little time to do some praying that you have a legitimate partner with whom to negotiate peace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Synergy, hope, who cares what you call it. Winning elections is much more about getting one&#039;s hands dirty and doing than it is about idealistic dreams and talking. Get on with out. And if it doesn&#039;t offend your Green sensibilities too much, leave a little time to do some praying that you have a legitimate partner with whom to negotiate peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Pulver</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/natural-bedfellows-tzipi-livnis-hatnua-and-the-green-movement/#comment-75260</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Pulver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HUGE LIKE!!! Thanks for giving us an alternative which will pass the threshold this time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HUGE LIKE!!! Thanks for giving us an alternative which will pass the threshold this time.</p>
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