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	<title>Comments on: Norman Lamm = Joe Paterno &#8211; Shame On Yeshiva University!</title>
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		<title>By: Bernhard Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernhard Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TO HIGHLAND PARK, IF YOU CAN PROSECUTE THE ONES WHO HIRT YOUNG KIDS, DO IT.   I understand nightmares and terrors, I do not understand why the parents did not beat up the guilty if they violated their children.Sorry to me having respect for a rabbi has nothing to do with his harming my child. I WOULD HAVE BEATEN THE HELL OUT OF HIM.




THEY   COMPLAIN  ABOUT WRESTLING and have nightmares. This I UNDERSTAND  and have compassion for them. I hate when people judge me for saying the parents should have acted if they knew. 

I was born in a D.P. CAMP and my parents were in AUSCHWITZ AND BUCHENWALD. LOST MOST OF THE FAMILY. these are my nightmares  NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH LIFE LIKE THIS. , ESPECIALLY YOUNG  TEENAGERS.. rabbi dr. BERNHARD ROSENBERG]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO HIGHLAND PARK, IF YOU CAN PROSECUTE THE ONES WHO HIRT YOUNG KIDS, DO IT.   I understand nightmares and terrors, I do not understand why the parents did not beat up the guilty if they violated their children.Sorry to me having respect for a rabbi has nothing to do with his harming my child. I WOULD HAVE BEATEN THE HELL OUT OF HIM.</p>
<p>THEY   COMPLAIN  ABOUT WRESTLING and have nightmares. This I UNDERSTAND  and have compassion for them. I hate when people judge me for saying the parents should have acted if they knew. </p>
<p>I was born in a D.P. CAMP and my parents were in AUSCHWITZ AND BUCHENWALD. LOST MOST OF THE FAMILY. these are my nightmares  NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH LIFE LIKE THIS. , ESPECIALLY YOUNG  TEENAGERS.. rabbi dr. BERNHARD ROSENBERG</p>
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		<title>By: Yom Gee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yom Gee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ronn Torossian has curiously decided to make it his business to run around the internet and post rambling condemnations of Rabbi Lamm.  In each of his multiple posts, on multiple websites, Torossian rehashes the same thing - Rabbi Lamm&#039;s actions are similar to those of Joe Paterno, Yeshiva University should fire him and have a proper investigation.  Oh, and he makes sure, of course, to inform us that he runs a PR firm.

First off, I find it comical that Torossian is so ready to condemn and calls for the University to take punitive action against Rabbi Lamm before the &quot;proper investigation&quot; he calls for has even taken place.  Indeed, at this stage, we are talking about only allegations - there has been not a single conviction, indeed not even a threatened action!  Talk about putting the cart before the horse!  And, at that, on the subject of the Jewish values, Torossian so self-righteously trumpets, what ever happened to &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot;?  

Second, the comparison to Joe Paterno is completely fallacious - for multiple reasons:

* Again, sexual abuse actually took place in the Sandusky case - here, there are only unsubstantiated allegations.
* In their substance, the allegations in the Sandusky case were very clearly sexual (sex in the shower); here, they were more unclear (wrestling - even the father of one of the victims &quot;didn&#039;t know what to make of it&quot;).
* The Sandusky case happened thirty years after those that happened here; attitudes in how to deal with such issues were dramatically different.
* Sandusky was an assistant coach on Paterno&#039;s relatively small football team; the two administrators in question were relative small fries in a small part of the institution (MTA, which YU contemplating closing in the 1990&#039;s) that Rabbi Lamm oversaw - one with thousands of students, administrators and faculty, and multiple campuses and graduate schools.
* Most fundamentally, Paterno took no action and kept Sandusky on staff; Rabbi Lamm pushed these two individuals out.  

While I am cognizant of &quot;Not attacking the messenger,&quot; in light of the Torossian&#039;s almost inexplicable rash of postings across multiple blogs, I do think that there is something else at play here.  In each posting, Torossian curiously makes a point of prominently name-dropping the public relations firm that he runs.  Which makes one wonder, is this really an attempt by Torossian to add to our communal dialogue - which he utterly fails to do - or to shamelessly capitalize on a saucy communal scandal to self-promote himself and his business?  His multiple postings suggest the latter.  And, one must say, in an age where people will do the most desperate and despicable things to self-promote and get noticed, to so non-judiciously bash someone else to do it would probably make even Kim Kardashian grimace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronn Torossian has curiously decided to make it his business to run around the internet and post rambling condemnations of Rabbi Lamm.  In each of his multiple posts, on multiple websites, Torossian rehashes the same thing &#8211; Rabbi Lamm&#039;s actions are similar to those of Joe Paterno, Yeshiva University should fire him and have a proper investigation.  Oh, and he makes sure, of course, to inform us that he runs a PR firm.</p>
<p>First off, I find it comical that Torossian is so ready to condemn and calls for the University to take punitive action against Rabbi Lamm before the &quot;proper investigation&quot; he calls for has even taken place.  Indeed, at this stage, we are talking about only allegations &#8211; there has been not a single conviction, indeed not even a threatened action!  Talk about putting the cart before the horse!  And, at that, on the subject of the Jewish values, Torossian so self-righteously trumpets, what ever happened to &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot;?  </p>
<p>Second, the comparison to Joe Paterno is completely fallacious &#8211; for multiple reasons:</p>
<p>* Again, sexual abuse actually took place in the Sandusky case &#8211; here, there are only unsubstantiated allegations.<br />
* In their substance, the allegations in the Sandusky case were very clearly sexual (sex in the shower); here, they were more unclear (wrestling &#8211; even the father of one of the victims &quot;didn&#039;t know what to make of it&quot;).<br />
* The Sandusky case happened thirty years after those that happened here; attitudes in how to deal with such issues were dramatically different.<br />
* Sandusky was an assistant coach on Paterno&#039;s relatively small football team; the two administrators in question were relative small fries in a small part of the institution (MTA, which YU contemplating closing in the 1990&#039;s) that Rabbi Lamm oversaw &#8211; one with thousands of students, administrators and faculty, and multiple campuses and graduate schools.<br />
* Most fundamentally, Paterno took no action and kept Sandusky on staff; Rabbi Lamm pushed these two individuals out.  </p>
<p>While I am cognizant of &quot;Not attacking the messenger,&quot; in light of the Torossian&#039;s almost inexplicable rash of postings across multiple blogs, I do think that there is something else at play here.  In each posting, Torossian curiously makes a point of prominently name-dropping the public relations firm that he runs.  Which makes one wonder, is this really an attempt by Torossian to add to our communal dialogue &#8211; which he utterly fails to do &#8211; or to shamelessly capitalize on a saucy communal scandal to self-promote himself and his business?  His multiple postings suggest the latter.  And, one must say, in an age where people will do the most desperate and despicable things to self-promote and get noticed, to so non-judiciously bash someone else to do it would probably make even Kim Kardashian grimace.</p>
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