Comments on: Separating Ourselves from our Supporters

By: Joseph Shellim

Joseph Shellim — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:53:59 +0000

The correct, contextual Q is: What does one do when a mad dog is chasing you with the limbs of your loved ones in its jaws?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:43:22 +0000

every good Garden needs lots of good fertilizer

Ezekiel 39
…and will cause you to come up from the uttermost parts of the north and will lead you against the mountains of Israel….
You shall fall [dead] upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your hosts and the peoples who are with you. I will give you to the ravenous birds of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured….
And there shall they [a]bury Gog and all his multitude, and they shall call it the Valley of Hamon-gog [multitude of Gog].
For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, that they may cleanse the land.
Yes, all the people of the land will bury them, and it shall bring them renown in the day that I shall be glorified, says the Lord God.

By: Meir Liberman

Meir Liberman — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:20:18 +0000

The point is not that we have to separate ourselves from these people but that these people have not matured in their thinking.
I disagree that we give them a platform. Most people just disregard them.

Anyway, the question of "why doesn't Israel just nuke them?" is far better for Israel than all other Hasbara. It sticks and is poignant.

By: Doron Cowen

Doron Cowen — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:19:32 +0000

"The Universal" GoE is for the rest of the nations Get the one without the prefix and that one is more for the Jewish soul!

On another note: if you are ready, go to http://www.divineinformation.com and look up "Torah and Science" but I must warn you he doesn't pull any punches or sugar coats anything! plus 1000's of other topics but start with T&S first! Good Luck! Kol Tuv!

By: David Brent

David Brent — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:24:16 +0000

Rabbi Shalom Arush, "The Universal Garden of Emunah". Love him. Don't agree. Blog to come. Stay tuned Doron.

By: Doron Cowen

Doron Cowen — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:11:07 +0000

David Brent : Sorry dude THAT is exactly why you are wrong! He Is responsible for anything and EVERYTHING!! You need to learn about Emuna! Everything is all for the best! Even if with our limited intellect we Don't understand everything he does (and we really shouldn't ) He is responsible for every smallest detail and everything on the grand scale that happens in this world! You may call it blind faith but its not. Read the Tanach and Gemara even the Chumash it will tell you.

By: David Brent

David Brent — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:12:08 +0000

You are exactly the person I want to separate myself from. You do not represent me and we share none of the same values and you certainly do not speak for Hashem. You have no understanding of the texts that you are quoting. Hashem is not responsible for the Muslim genocide just as Hashem is not responsible for the Jewish genocide of the holocaust.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:43:44 +0000

' I don’t want to indiscriminately kill everybody who disagrees with me.'
David,
You left something critical out that does not seem to fit in your strange world as you took a swipe at a friend of Israel.
Why didn't you mention that it is the objective and goal of Israel's enemies to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and I would much rather see Israel crush, defeat, wipe out this very real thereat before that can accomplish the extermination of Israel and the Jews.
Remember the story about Haman how in the end he and his minions got what they intended for the Jews by the hand of the Jews?
I would encourage you to get an adjustment to your skewed thinking.
See what's happening in Syria, the Muslim on Muslim genocide, that's God judging His enemies.
God is judging the wicked, there weren't too many left the last time after He asked Noah to build an Ark.

Ezekiel 35
Therefore, as I live, says the Lord God, I will expose you to slaughter and slaughter shall pursue you; since you could not bear to live without bloodshed, therefore bloodshed shall pursue you.
http://averyheavystone.blogspot.com/

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:43:44 +0000

By: David Brent

David Brent — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:34:46 +0000

Thank you for your comment. Maybe if we continue to oppose bigotry from both sides we can expel the fringe to the gutters where they belong.

By: Harry's Place

Harry's Place — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:36:54 +0000

We're rational Left wingers in the UK.

In this country, there's no real solidarity with Israelis at all – so you wouldn't have this sort of thing here.

By contrast, there's a very strong Palestinian solidarity campaign, which runs alongside support for various Islamist groups, particularly on the Left, but also on parts of the mainstream and far Right. This politics is very similar in its tone to the phenomenon you've witnessed on the US Right. So, it is not unusual to hear extreme expressions of antisemitism from these groups and their supporters.

We have been scrupulous in opposing racism and hatred when we've campaigned against these groups. We repeatedly take a pop at those in the US who stir up antagonism to Muslims.

The interesting thing is, it makes no difference. Just as "Nuke the Arabs" comments don't discredit the US Right groups you've seen, Jew hatred doesn't really undermine the groups in the UK. In fact, I suspect both groups benefit from it: because these campaigns provide a socially acceptable way of expressing particular forms of racism.

I wish this wasn't so. There should be a dividend for both campaigns, if they oppose bigotry. Sadly, the opposite seems to be the case.

The consequence, incidentally, is that the US Right has become a happy home for Muslim hating bigots, and the European Left is the place for you if you really hate Jews.