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		<title>By: Michael Davison</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/service-equality-and-politics/#comment-95036</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Prof. Chazan:

Thank you for such a misleading and fraudulent article. You have shown the lengths to which those opposing equal responsibility for all citizens of Israel are willing to go to prevent an equal distribution of those responsibilities.

Nowhere is there the condition that ONLY military service is acceptable. Both the Haredi and Arab sectors were given the option of Sherut Leumi, which would benefit their own sectors first and foremost. What possible objection could someone of Sherut Leumi age have to helping disadvantaged students with learning disabilities, assisting the handicapped with shopping, errands, etc. The response? The Haredi rabbis threatened a civil war against the secular and the Arab sector&#039;s politicians screamed &quot;discrimination&quot; to anyone who would listen.

Why has the word “duty” turned into an obscenity? Why is it wrong to demand equal responsibility from all citizens? Those same citizens know quite well how to demand equal rights, but along with equal rights come equal responsibilities. No matter how you try to separate rights from responsibilities, it doesn’t work.

What you’re trying to do is justify the granting of equal (or, given the absence of responsibilities fulfilled or even demanded, preferential) rights to certain sectors of the population, which is unacceptable to those of us who do bear the burden of those responsibilities.

Kindly try to conceive of some manner in which ALL sectors of Israel’s population share the burden of those duties in a more egalitarian distribution.

Sincerely,
M. Davison]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Prof. Chazan:</p>
<p>Thank you for such a misleading and fraudulent article. You have shown the lengths to which those opposing equal responsibility for all citizens of Israel are willing to go to prevent an equal distribution of those responsibilities.</p>
<p>Nowhere is there the condition that ONLY military service is acceptable. Both the Haredi and Arab sectors were given the option of Sherut Leumi, which would benefit their own sectors first and foremost. What possible objection could someone of Sherut Leumi age have to helping disadvantaged students with learning disabilities, assisting the handicapped with shopping, errands, etc. The response? The Haredi rabbis threatened a civil war against the secular and the Arab sector&#039;s politicians screamed &quot;discrimination&quot; to anyone who would listen.</p>
<p>Why has the word “duty” turned into an obscenity? Why is it wrong to demand equal responsibility from all citizens? Those same citizens know quite well how to demand equal rights, but along with equal rights come equal responsibilities. No matter how you try to separate rights from responsibilities, it doesn’t work.</p>
<p>What you’re trying to do is justify the granting of equal (or, given the absence of responsibilities fulfilled or even demanded, preferential) rights to certain sectors of the population, which is unacceptable to those of us who do bear the burden of those responsibilities.</p>
<p>Kindly try to conceive of some manner in which ALL sectors of Israel’s population share the burden of those duties in a more egalitarian distribution.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
M. Davison</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Davison</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/service-equality-and-politics/#comment-95038</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Prof. Chazan:

Thank you for such a misleading and fraudulent article. You have shown the lengths to which those opposing equal responsibility for all citizens of Israel are willing to go to prevent an equal distribution of those responsibilities.

Nowhere is there the condition that ONLY military service is acceptable. Both the Haredi and Arab sectors were given the option of Sherut Leumi, which would benefit their own sectors first and foremost. What possible objection could someone of Sherut Leumi age have to helping disadvantaged students with learning disabilities, assisting the handicapped with shopping, errands, etc. The response? The Haredi rabbis threatened a civil war against the secular and the Arab sector&#039;s politicians screamed &quot;discrimination&quot; to anyone who would listen.

Why has the word “duty” turned into an obscenity? Why is it wrong to demand equal responsibility from all citizens? Those same citizens know quite well how to demand equal rights, but along with equal rights come equal responsibilities. No matter how you try to separate rights from responsibilities, it doesn’t work.

What you’re trying to do is justify the granting of equal (or, given the absence of responsibilities fulfilled or even demanded, preferential) rights to certain sectors of the population, which is unacceptable to those of us who do bear the burden of those responsibilities.

Kindly try to conceive of some manner in which ALL sectors of Israel’s population share the burden of those duties in a more egalitarian distribution.

Sincerely,
M. Davison]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Prof. Chazan:</p>
<p>Thank you for such a misleading and fraudulent article. You have shown the lengths to which those opposing equal responsibility for all citizens of Israel are willing to go to prevent an equal distribution of those responsibilities.</p>
<p>Nowhere is there the condition that ONLY military service is acceptable. Both the Haredi and Arab sectors were given the option of Sherut Leumi, which would benefit their own sectors first and foremost. What possible objection could someone of Sherut Leumi age have to helping disadvantaged students with learning disabilities, assisting the handicapped with shopping, errands, etc. The response? The Haredi rabbis threatened a civil war against the secular and the Arab sector&#039;s politicians screamed &quot;discrimination&quot; to anyone who would listen.</p>
<p>Why has the word “duty” turned into an obscenity? Why is it wrong to demand equal responsibility from all citizens? Those same citizens know quite well how to demand equal rights, but along with equal rights come equal responsibilities. No matter how you try to separate rights from responsibilities, it doesn’t work.</p>
<p>What you’re trying to do is justify the granting of equal (or, given the absence of responsibilities fulfilled or even demanded, preferential) rights to certain sectors of the population, which is unacceptable to those of us who do bear the burden of those responsibilities.</p>
<p>Kindly try to conceive of some manner in which ALL sectors of Israel’s population share the burden of those duties in a more egalitarian distribution.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
M. Davison</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/service-equality-and-politics/#comment-94726</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since when is &quot;duty&quot; a dirty word? Israel owes much to the deep social solidarity of it&#039;s people, built in large part through shared duty and sacrifice. Every time I come back to Israel I am shocked by the healthy social fabric that people have built to support one another and respect each other, as opposed to other countries where people are killed in the streets and no one cares. In a small country this is vital - it goes to quality of life, social, political and economic stability, military capacity, etc.

The author is merely trying to protect the Arab Israeli population from military conscription or civil service. She conveniently uses the secular public&#039;s issues with the haredi sector as a mask for her real aims - which is to exempt the Arab Israeli population from sharing the common burden of responsibility.

Bottom line, with a few hundred exemptions for exceptional students, haredim will join the IDF or civil service and integrate into the economy. If you follow the trends within the community then you know this is where things are headed anyway.

The real question is whether the Arab Israeli population is truly ready to integrate, and be integrated and accepted by the Israeli Jewish majority culture. This may mean ending the autonomy the Arab sector has in its own education system, among other tripwires to integration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when is &quot;duty&quot; a dirty word? Israel owes much to the deep social solidarity of it&#039;s people, built in large part through shared duty and sacrifice. Every time I come back to Israel I am shocked by the healthy social fabric that people have built to support one another and respect each other, as opposed to other countries where people are killed in the streets and no one cares. In a small country this is vital &#8211; it goes to quality of life, social, political and economic stability, military capacity, etc.</p>
<p>The author is merely trying to protect the Arab Israeli population from military conscription or civil service. She conveniently uses the secular public&#039;s issues with the haredi sector as a mask for her real aims &#8211; which is to exempt the Arab Israeli population from sharing the common burden of responsibility.</p>
<p>Bottom line, with a few hundred exemptions for exceptional students, haredim will join the IDF or civil service and integrate into the economy. If you follow the trends within the community then you know this is where things are headed anyway.</p>
<p>The real question is whether the Arab Israeli population is truly ready to integrate, and be integrated and accepted by the Israeli Jewish majority culture. This may mean ending the autonomy the Arab sector has in its own education system, among other tripwires to integration.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody Schulz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/service-equality-and-politics/#comment-94724</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody Schulz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All should have to SERVE, to work and to pay taxes, even the haredim! period]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All should have to SERVE, to work and to pay taxes, even the haredim! period</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa Powers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/service-equality-and-politics/#comment-94722</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanessa Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, so non-religious people have to potentially fight and die for the state but not the religious? Absurd.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sorry, so non-religious people have to potentially fight and die for the state but not the religious? Absurd&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/service-equality-and-politics/#comment-94720</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely disagree with this article.  Living in a country (the US) that gave up its draft long ago, you notice that the army begins to be populated solely by the economically disadvantaged.  They have little voice in policies that directly affect their personal well-being. Indeed they are an afterthought in whether we go to war or not.  This is not the way forward.  No, only if everyone serves will everyone be invested.  Ultra Orthodox must serve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely disagree with this article.  Living in a country (the US) that gave up its draft long ago, you notice that the army begins to be populated solely by the economically disadvantaged.  They have little voice in policies that directly affect their personal well-being. Indeed they are an afterthought in whether we go to war or not.  This is not the way forward.  No, only if everyone serves will everyone be invested.  Ultra Orthodox must serve.</p>
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