Comments on: The end of peace ?

By: עמנואל שחף

עמנואל שחף — Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:40:16 +0000

That's a remarkably stupid statement – an unrecognized border with mayhem on the other side safe ? What have you been smoking ?

By: Yonatan Knickerbocker

Yonatan Knickerbocker — Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:37:05 +0000

"peace, as a political objective appears to have become politically incorrect." Labeling this charade as "peace" is what we have all turned from. It is not peace, it will not result in peace, no matter how often you say it.

By: אבי קסנר

אבי קסנר — Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:31:42 +0000

How's that internationally recognized border in the Golan doing? Oh right, it's not recognized and it's the safest border we have today.

By: אבי קסנר

אבי קסנר — Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:25:23 +0000

It's not important if Gd is with us or not. What is important is if WE are with us or not. It's not dogma to say that most of the Yesha area has archeological ties to the Jewish people. It's fact. Dogma is insiting that the "international community" and "regcognized borders" are important. They haven't been important for the past 100 years, why do you think they will be important in the next 100 years?

I use my brain, you should as well, and stop ignoring reality. Reality says that borders will give us nothing but rockets and more terrorism. Look at history, not your fantasy and wishful thinking.

By: Herbert Kaine

Herbert Kaine — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:59:29 +0000

When the Palestinians say they recognize a Jewish claim to any of "Palestine" let me know. If I were a Palestinian, there would be no way I would negotiate with Israel and recognize their claims to any of it, because with a bit of patience, I would be able to have it all. I would be comforted by knowing that even among Israelis, there are legions of Emanuel Shahafs and Haneen Zoabis who would justify every act of violence that the Palestinians perform upon Israel. I would also rely on the age old power of anti-Semitism to turn the EU and US against Israel. You haven't provided any incentive for the Palestinians to make peace.

By: John Yorke

John Yorke — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:32:01 +0000

Yes, it's a tricky one, isn't it?

“Thinking isn't agreeing or disagreeing. That's voting.” Robert Frost (1874-1963)

But there are times when you just have to think the issues through. And so, after 66 years of trying to square the circle, can any future for both sides ever be extracted from the present arrangement?

On the face of it, nothing much has changed. Or, if it has, it's certainly not been for the better.

That the State of Israel and the State of Palestine are excluded from a mutual acceptance of each other is down to a variety of reasons; gut instinct, security considerations, religious edict, political pressure and historical context. As such, the prospects for any peaceful determination of the Arab-Israeli conflict appear to be vanishingly small. After this election on the 22nd, they may even be smaller still.

The fundamental problem is that each group reacts negatively to the other's presence and simply cannot start recognition procedures without some simultaneous quid pro quo from its opposite number. Since neither side trusts the other to any measurable degree, the situation is thus able to maintain itself in turbulent deadlock, much as it has done from the very beginning.

To break such an impasse requires radical movement by one or both parties here; no end to this decades-old logjam is otherwise in sight. But, as very little positive movement can be made without an equal and reciprocal gesture taking place at the same time, real and substantial progress on the matter is nowhere to be seen.

The only solution now is to provide some means of kick-starting the process of peacemaking by reversing the normal order of battle and allowing peace itself – or the simple lack of actual conflict – to become an active and far more potent component in the struggle.

Http://yorketowers.blogspot.com

In each of the three monotheistic religions, God requires everyone to be their brother's keeper. It's not an optional extra. And, whether they like to admit it or not, some brothers do appear to be in dire need of considerable 'keeping.'

As do we all from time to time.

By: עמנואל שחף

עמנואל שחף — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:51:11 +0000

No, I guess internationally recognized borders are not important. I am sure G-d will be with us when paytime comes…That's what is important. Don't use your brain (what do we have it for ?), follow your dogmas. Ignore reality, don't listen to anybody who isn't Jewish, better Jewish Orthodox. That's the spirit. We'll all be proud.

By: Deborah Rosen Shore

Deborah Rosen Shore — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:44:51 +0000

well said

By: אבי קסנר

אבי קסנר — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:44:06 +0000

Are internationally recognized borders really more important than the ability to live in the land your ancestors (the Maccabees) fought for? Does a line on a map really mean more than peace and security and the ability to live on/visit the land that Abraham bought to bury Sarah in?
What is the point of a peace which denies us access to our heritage? We might as well move to Uganada.
Is a piece of paper from the UN really worth kicking Jews out of their homes forcefully with guns and bulldozers? Didn't we build Israel so we could stop being afraid of being kicked out of our homes by governments who found us to be inconvenient?