Comments on: The Future Be Our Guide

By: Ariel Beery

Ariel Beery — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:50:18 +0000

Thanks Paul. I'd love to hear your vision for the future of our State.

By: Ariel Beery

Ariel Beery — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:50:18 +0000

Thanks Paul. I'd love to hear your vision for the future of our State.

By: Ravi Singh

Ravi Singh — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:57:15 +0000

If the 2 state solution does not conform to the 67 borders with whatever mutually accepted and agreed upon land swaps, the conflict will linger and keep radicalising future generations. When and if such a solution is worked out, Israel must for its own good, work on building a relationship with the Palestinians. That may sound difficult but keep in mind that the Arabs have treated them like rubbish, with little interest in alleviating the Palestinians suffering. With the borders out of the way, a relationship between Israel and the new state of Palestine could become positively beneficial, even growing into self sustaining partnership of immense advantage, particularly to the Palestinians. If the Palestinians had to then choose between the callous Arab world and a sympathetic and helpful Israel… the latter would win hands down. Giving the Pals a state of their own within the 67 borders is the best way for Israel to secure itself. Then not only would Israel reclaim the moral high ground, its disapproval ratings the world over would crash

By: Ariel Beery

Ariel Beery — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:33:06 +0000

Thanks Ravi — I think that the international view is a very important one. How would you see the 2 State Israel play out differently than the Two States in the Cold scenario I described above?

By: Ariel Beery

Ariel Beery — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:32:22 +0000

Thanks Nathan for your post – I think that a State that is self-sufficient in terms of energy and water, and thereby posing an example to the nations as to how one can live in tune with limited resources, could be a wonderful thing. Wish we had someone negotiating coalition talks with that goal in mind!

By: Paul Gross

Paul Gross — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:20:08 +0000

This is great Ariel. Thanks for taking the time to share this.

By: Paul Gross

Paul Gross — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:20:08 +0000

This is great Ariel. Thanks for taking the time to share this.

By: Nathan Japhet

Nathan Japhet — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:25:58 +0000

A proud Jewish state that unfortunately did not sign peace agreements with the PA, since that truly seems like science fiction, but entered into and resolved negotiations over the final borders once and for all, thus removing international isolation over settlements.

A state that focuses on Jewish literacy for its citizens to ignite a national discussion about our Jewish sources relating to our religion and people.The Rabbinate becomes filled with moderate Zionist rabbis and comes to a compromise with our Reform and Conservative brethren over conversion, marriage, divorce, and other issues. A state that focuses simultaneously on bringing back the yordim and kibbutz galuyot and that proudly says that Israel is the only home for Jews worldwide.

Haredim and Arab citizens will be integrated into the army and workforce, thus improving their (and Israel's) economy and lowering their birthrate.

Israel will continue to become energy independent and desalinate 100% of its drinking water (the Dead Sea and Jordan will have an amazing recovery), get 50-70% of its power from solar and wind sources, and continue to develop R&D and high-tech. Internationally standing restored by agreeing to final borders with the Palestinians, Israel will continue a wait-and-see policy to see if the neighbors can ever come to grips with the idea of Jews having their own state.

its nice to dream….

By: Nathan Japhet

Nathan Japhet — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:25:58 +0000

Haredim and Arab citizens will be integrated into the army and workforce, thus improving their (and Israel's) economy and lowering their birthrate.

its nice to dream….

By: Nathan Japhet

Nathan Japhet — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:25:58 +0000

Haredim and Arab citizens will be integrated into the army and workforce, thus improving their (and Israel's) economy and lowering their birthrate.

its nice to dream….

By: Ravi Singh

Ravi Singh — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:54:51 +0000

Correction… its 30 odd years not 300

By: Ravi Singh

Ravi Singh — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:53:47 +0000

My future….my aspirational vision…? If you are alluding to my future in my country, thats easier and less complicated to envision than yours in the holy land.
For Israel, the appropriate remedy would be a 2 state solution within the 67 borders. The settlement enterprise, has made this very difficult, but then if some exceptional Israeli leader emerges, and can muster up the will and carry his nation with him, it still could be done. For that to work Israel would have to state its readiness to accept the 67 borders, and then the process of handing over the occupied W Bank, and working out all the modalities of the relationship, would proceed step by step. The alternative to this has to be the one state, which the CIA predicts would come as soon as 2025.
I do not even pretend to match your knowledge and insight, but the one miscalculation Israelis make, is to grossly underestimate the level of disapproval Israels behaviour over the last 300 odd years, now attracts the world over. This disapproval is only growing,and if unchecked the consequences for a tiny nation of 6 million can be grave

By: Ariel Beery

Ariel Beery — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:29:13 +0000

Thanks Ravi – so what would a tenable future for you be? And what would be your aspirational vision:?

By: Ravi Singh

Ravi Singh — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:07:11 +0000

Basically none of these projections seem tenable. The status quo is untenable, the two state solution is more or less dead with the settlement enterprise having ensured that, that Israel will become an outpost of resistance is fanciful, Becoming a part of the EU, without a proper 2 state solution in place is also unworkable. The Abhramic republic is only possible if there is a one state between the river and the sea, wherein both Jews and Palestinians have equal rights. The CIA predicted one state seems to be the only possible outcome. If it goes on to become the Abhramic republic as described by Beery that will be great, but first the one state will take its own time to get its act together, including dealing with its pent up animosities.