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		<title>By: Shoshanna Keats-Jaskoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shoshanna Keats-Jaskoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fabulous- it is about time these questions were raised and answered!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabulous- it is about time these questions were raised and answered!</p>
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		<title>By: Zahava Englard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-116372</link>
		<dc:creator>Zahava Englard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yitzhak, I very much appreciate your comments. Not sure I agree with some points...I would actually like to read it over and think about a number of points you made,  but thank you for taking the time to write an extremely well thought out and respectful commentary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yitzhak, I very much appreciate your comments. Not sure I agree with some points&#8230;I would actually like to read it over and think about a number of points you made,  but thank you for taking the time to write an extremely well thought out and respectful commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: Zahava Englard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zahava Englard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sammy Oziel There exists no consensus and therefore as I clearly pointed out, &quot;ashe lecha rav&quot; is not always the way to go. Do not accuse me of &quot;fishing for a rabbi that will tell me what I want to hear. I&#039;ve been educated quite well in Jewish law, and it is filled with controversy and disagreements among the chachamim. Who are you trying to kid? I&#039;m not the one who is confused or who has an inaccurate picture of today&#039;s chareidi monopoly in Israel which is steeped in political corruption. Sammy Oziel, I wish you much hatzlacha in striving for the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sammy Oziel There exists no consensus and therefore as I clearly pointed out, &quot;ashe lecha rav&quot; is not always the way to go. Do not accuse me of &quot;fishing for a rabbi that will tell me what I want to hear. I&#039;ve been educated quite well in Jewish law, and it is filled with controversy and disagreements among the chachamim. Who are you trying to kid? I&#039;m not the one who is confused or who has an inaccurate picture of today&#039;s chareidi monopoly in Israel which is steeped in political corruption. Sammy Oziel, I wish you much hatzlacha in striving for the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Zahava Englard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-116368</link>
		<dc:creator>Zahava Englard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Avi Feygin Point blank: Chareidi religion is part of the problem. The Talmud exacerbates the problem. You offer no solution other than perpetuating a chumra based religion with your obvious desire to convey a patronizing attitude toward me. Save it for someone else. Your sitting through life in an enclosed room with your nose in a book does not make you an expert. You and your comment does not impress me. And NO, you are not practicing exactly what Moshe taught. So get off your high chareidi horse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avi Feygin Point blank: Chareidi religion is part of the problem. The Talmud exacerbates the problem. You offer no solution other than perpetuating a chumra based religion with your obvious desire to convey a patronizing attitude toward me. Save it for someone else. Your sitting through life in an enclosed room with your nose in a book does not make you an expert. You and your comment does not impress me. And NO, you are not practicing exactly what Moshe taught. So get off your high chareidi horse.</p>
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		<title>By: Zahava Englard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zahava Englard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why stop there? Let&#039;s take it one step further, Ra&#039;anan. I believe all Jewish women should be allowed more than one husband and let the GET business rest in peace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why stop there? Let&#039;s take it one step further, Ra&#039;anan. I believe all Jewish women should be allowed more than one husband and let the GET business rest in peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramon Machtesh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-112880</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramon Machtesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I originally thought it had to do with Adam, who literally sins through listening to Kol Isha, Eve, but no.

The thing is, even if it has, as you put it, no basis in the text, it has.  That little thing in Avot, S&#039;yag laTorah?  A fence around the Torah? Yeah, somewhere in Dvarim there&#039;s a verse that says listen to the experts of your day, they will make additional rules (authoritative) as needed. And, of course, don&#039;t talk to much to women, not even your own wife.

The problem I see is that if Rav Moish Gesundheit made a great, wize, necessary gezeirah in 1302, it might well have been outdated by 1550 or so, but it&#039;s still in force.  We have not AN appropriate fence, but in many cases multiple fences around Torah precepts.  The code needs a thorough cleaning out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I originally thought it had to do with Adam, who literally sins through listening to Kol Isha, Eve, but no.</p>
<p>The thing is, even if it has, as you put it, no basis in the text, it has.  That little thing in Avot, S&#039;yag laTorah?  A fence around the Torah? Yeah, somewhere in Dvarim there&#039;s a verse that says listen to the experts of your day, they will make additional rules (authoritative) as needed. And, of course, don&#039;t talk to much to women, not even your own wife.</p>
<p>The problem I see is that if Rav Moish Gesundheit made a great, wize, necessary gezeirah in 1302, it might well have been outdated by 1550 or so, but it&#039;s still in force.  We have not AN appropriate fence, but in many cases multiple fences around Torah precepts.  The code needs a thorough cleaning out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Jay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-112200</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the spirit of the questions raised by the author. 

There is a balance to be made; we must start from the POV that torah shebektav and torah she baal pe are fully binding. That is the basis of any religion that does not put our own wants or feelings beyond what the Source wants. Avraham was willing to sacrifice his beloved son Yitzchak for the Source; lehavdil yoshki &#039;god&#039; died for their sins and now they are free. We give up ourselves and our thoughts for G-d, in their system &#039;god&#039; gives up itself for them. Ashreinu.

We are bound by these laws and customs until mashiach comes unless constructive innovation within Torah can be made (see eg Rav Moshe Feinstein), otherwise we are looking at reform judaism whatever that means; G-d to fit what we want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the spirit of the questions raised by the author. </p>
<p>There is a balance to be made; we must start from the POV that torah shebektav and torah she baal pe are fully binding. That is the basis of any religion that does not put our own wants or feelings beyond what the Source wants. Avraham was willing to sacrifice his beloved son Yitzchak for the Source; lehavdil yoshki &#039;god&#039; died for their sins and now they are free. We give up ourselves and our thoughts for G-d, in their system &#039;god&#039; gives up itself for them. Ashreinu.</p>
<p>We are bound by these laws and customs until mashiach comes unless constructive innovation within Torah can be made (see eg Rav Moshe Feinstein), otherwise we are looking at reform judaism whatever that means; G-d to fit what we want.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Jay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-112202</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the spirit of the questions raised by the author. 

There is a balance to be made; we must start from the POV that torah shebektav and torah she baal pe are fully binding. That is the basis of any religion that does not put our own wants or feelings beyond what the Source wants. Avraham was willing to sacrifice his beloved son Yitzchak for the Source; lehavdil yoshki &#039;god&#039; died for their sins and now they are free. We give up ourselves and our thoughts for G-d, in their system &#039;god&#039; gives up itself for them. Ashreinu.

We are bound by these laws and customs until mashiach comes unless constructive innovation within Torah can be made (see eg Rav Moshe Feinstein), otherwise we are looking at reform judaism whatever that means; G-d to fit what we want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the spirit of the questions raised by the author. </p>
<p>There is a balance to be made; we must start from the POV that torah shebektav and torah she baal pe are fully binding. That is the basis of any religion that does not put our own wants or feelings beyond what the Source wants. Avraham was willing to sacrifice his beloved son Yitzchak for the Source; lehavdil yoshki &#039;god&#039; died for their sins and now they are free. We give up ourselves and our thoughts for G-d, in their system &#039;god&#039; gives up itself for them. Ashreinu.</p>
<p>We are bound by these laws and customs until mashiach comes unless constructive innovation within Torah can be made (see eg Rav Moshe Feinstein), otherwise we are looking at reform judaism whatever that means; G-d to fit what we want.</p>
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		<title>By: Dafna Michaelson Jenet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-111700</link>
		<dc:creator>Dafna Michaelson Jenet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this article Zahava. Raised in a loving orthodox home I often challenged the roots of specific &quot;laws&quot;. It did not help that my passion was performing. As an adult I finally broke with my orthodoxy meeting first with my Rabbi to explain how I felt we were putting so many fences around the fences to protect ourselves from maybe, possibly, potentially breaking a rule that we no longer knew what the actual laws even looked like. I am ready for a re-reading of the Torah to truly understand the intentions behind the guidance of HaShem and the shedding of strictures added in fear. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article Zahava. Raised in a loving orthodox home I often challenged the roots of specific &quot;laws&quot;. It did not help that my passion was performing. As an adult I finally broke with my orthodoxy meeting first with my Rabbi to explain how I felt we were putting so many fences around the fences to protect ourselves from maybe, possibly, potentially breaking a rule that we no longer knew what the actual laws even looked like. I am ready for a re-reading of the Torah to truly understand the intentions behind the guidance of HaShem and the shedding of strictures added in fear. </p>
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		<title>By: Isaac Rosenblum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-111706</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac Rosenblum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 09:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daniel Morman, based on your comment above, how do you suggest we &quot;revise&quot; it? You, like the author, are suggesting something without providing a practical method to do so. Furthermore, Jewish belief isn&#039;t based on &quot;rabbis being present at Sinai&quot;...it is based on &quot;halacha l&#039;moshe m&#039;sinai&quot;, ie: we believe that the laws we have today (demonstrated by the rabbis in the talmud) are based on an oral traditions directly passed-down (father to son and teacher to student) from Moses at Sinai. Much of the tradition did get lost over the ages, but we rely on the expertise of our holy sages to help flesh-out the &quot;missing pieces of the puzzle.&quot; This is no different than relying on experts in any field to educate us in that respective area of knowledge.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Morman, based on your comment above, how do you suggest we &quot;revise&quot; it? You, like the author, are suggesting something without providing a practical method to do so. Furthermore, Jewish belief isn&#039;t based on &quot;rabbis being present at Sinai&quot;&#8230;it is based on &quot;halacha l&#039;moshe m&#039;sinai&quot;, ie: we believe that the laws we have today (demonstrated by the rabbis in the talmud) are based on an oral traditions directly passed-down (father to son and teacher to student) from Moses at Sinai. Much of the tradition did get lost over the ages, but we rely on the expertise of our holy sages to help flesh-out the &quot;missing pieces of the puzzle.&quot; This is no different than relying on experts in any field to educate us in that respective area of knowledge.  </p>
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		<title>By: Isaac Rosenblum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-111704</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac Rosenblum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 08:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont respond to people who claim &quot;ad-hominem&quot; but obviously don&#039;t understand what an ad-hominem attack is (I was directly commenting on the author&#039;s perspective relevant to THIS article, ie: her discussion demonstrates her complete lack of research on this topic. What is ad-hominem about that??? I made no reference to her person) and then goes on to make baseless comments about an author without providing support for that (who said she is &quot;very kind, gentle, and observant?&quot; There is nothing observant about attempting to undermine the very basis for our observance - emunat chachamim. In her comments below she questions their relevance today and whether or not their law is flawed. I guess that means we should rely on HER interpretation of biblical law? and if not her&#039;s, then who&#039;s?), and then to top it all off makes a claim that a perspective holds merit without even attempting to say why.  Yet, for some bizarre reason you agree with her. I&#039;d love to hear why.  I think it&#039;s more likely that you are siding with her b/c you support the author&#039;s arguments, not b/c anything she said in her comment actually makes sense.  The comments below by Benny Hutman and the Author&#039;s response do a fairly good job of elaborating here.  Also, note, that the author stated &quot;I don’t claim to be a halachic mavin by any stretch of the imagination&quot;  and &quot;I have no problem admitting my ignorance on a myriad of halachic issues.&quot; You got that right! And &quot;I certainly do not wish to sound like a heretic either.&quot; Too bad, you just did!  Or when she says &quot;Or, am I being too out of line with my questions?&quot; She is questioning her very own line of reasoning, so then the author herself has some doubt as to her logic! I think it&#039;s clear that she has the feeling that she&#039;s going too far.  Also, note how most of her ideas are expressed in the form of &quot;questions&quot; which is indicative of the author not having an educated basis for her thoughts.  Anyone can ask questions, but if they are not educated questions, then they aren&#039;t worth much.  She says that &quot;It is long overdue to distinguish what is actual halacha from what is not. What is authentic and what was integrated long ago into the religion that took into consideration circumstances, environment, and norms which are no longer relevant. The regular people like me want to know what’s what.&quot; Well how does she suppose that will happen? Who would be an acceptable authority to &quot;straighten it all out&quot;? You can&#039;t make a suggestion without a possible solution.  I don&#039;t believe that I&#039;ve read an article more in line with Conservative Judaism than this one. If you aren&#039;t familiar with Conservative Judaism then I advise you both to do some research. I have no problem with those who want to believe what they wish to believe (Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist etc). But please don&#039;t go around writing articles against authentic ancient orthodox belief, making outrageous comments opposing it, especially when you yourself admit your ignorance on the subject!  Are there orthodox Jews out there today who are going too far? Of course. In that sense I agree with the author. But there&#039;s a huge difference between those who are trying to be machmir/stringent (read: ridiculous) on everything (which ironically often stems from ignorance of Jewish law), and those that practice basic authentic ancient Torah Judaism. The author let herself be distracted by those masses, and unfortunately used that as a springboard to try and attempt to undermine the authentic form being practiced by the rest of the orthodox population.  That is as ignorant and misguided as it is unethical, inappropriate, and unfair. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont respond to people who claim &quot;ad-hominem&quot; but obviously don&#039;t understand what an ad-hominem attack is (I was directly commenting on the author&#039;s perspective relevant to THIS article, ie: her discussion demonstrates her complete lack of research on this topic. What is ad-hominem about that??? I made no reference to her person) and then goes on to make baseless comments about an author without providing support for that (who said she is &quot;very kind, gentle, and observant?&quot; There is nothing observant about attempting to undermine the very basis for our observance &#8211; emunat chachamim. In her comments below she questions their relevance today and whether or not their law is flawed. I guess that means we should rely on HER interpretation of biblical law? and if not her&#039;s, then who&#039;s?), and then to top it all off makes a claim that a perspective holds merit without even attempting to say why.  Yet, for some bizarre reason you agree with her. I&#039;d love to hear why.  I think it&#039;s more likely that you are siding with her b/c you support the author&#039;s arguments, not b/c anything she said in her comment actually makes sense.  The comments below by Benny Hutman and the Author&#039;s response do a fairly good job of elaborating here.  Also, note, that the author stated &quot;I don’t claim to be a halachic mavin by any stretch of the imagination&quot;  and &quot;I have no problem admitting my ignorance on a myriad of halachic issues.&quot; You got that right! And &quot;I certainly do not wish to sound like a heretic either.&quot; Too bad, you just did!  Or when she says &quot;Or, am I being too out of line with my questions?&quot; She is questioning her very own line of reasoning, so then the author herself has some doubt as to her logic! I think it&#039;s clear that she has the feeling that she&#039;s going too far.  Also, note how most of her ideas are expressed in the form of &quot;questions&quot; which is indicative of the author not having an educated basis for her thoughts.  Anyone can ask questions, but if they are not educated questions, then they aren&#039;t worth much.  She says that &quot;It is long overdue to distinguish what is actual halacha from what is not. What is authentic and what was integrated long ago into the religion that took into consideration circumstances, environment, and norms which are no longer relevant. The regular people like me want to know what’s what.&quot; Well how does she suppose that will happen? Who would be an acceptable authority to &quot;straighten it all out&quot;? You can&#039;t make a suggestion without a possible solution.  I don&#039;t believe that I&#039;ve read an article more in line with Conservative Judaism than this one. If you aren&#039;t familiar with Conservative Judaism then I advise you both to do some research. I have no problem with those who want to believe what they wish to believe (Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist etc). But please don&#039;t go around writing articles against authentic ancient orthodox belief, making outrageous comments opposing it, especially when you yourself admit your ignorance on the subject!  Are there orthodox Jews out there today who are going too far? Of course. In that sense I agree with the author. But there&#039;s a huge difference between those who are trying to be machmir/stringent (read: ridiculous) on everything (which ironically often stems from ignorance of Jewish law), and those that practice basic authentic ancient Torah Judaism. The author let herself be distracted by those masses, and unfortunately used that as a springboard to try and attempt to undermine the authentic form being practiced by the rest of the orthodox population.  That is as ignorant and misguided as it is unethical, inappropriate, and unfair. </p>
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		<title>By: Ra'anan Elozory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ra'anan Elozory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 02:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruth &amp; Zehavah, do you feel that all Jewish men should be allowed to have more than one wife in order to avoid disunity?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth &amp; Zehavah, do you feel that all Jewish men should be allowed to have more than one wife in order to avoid disunity?</p>
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		<title>By: David Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-111434</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YS, you are still obviously inspired,  but, are you still the funny man ?! Make me laugh funny man ! ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YS, you are still obviously inspired,  but, are you still the funny man ?! Make me laugh funny man ! <img src='http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Oziel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-hijacking-of-judaism/#comment-111432</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Oziel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 03:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zahava,
Holding up to the standard of halakhic Judaism is not easy, and it shouldn&#039;t be. More important than observing the mitzvot is the struggle to discover and define what they really are and how to observe them properly. We are all frustrated, to some extent, with the perceived gap between theory and practice, especially with sensitive contemporary issues. In that sense, I deeply sympathize with you.

Having said that, I suggest you recollect your thoughts and consider how you present them. Your questions are not &quot;out of line,&quot; as you put it, but your conclusions are. On several occasions in your article, you admit to your ignorance on the halakhic process and yet you have the chutzpah to suggest that rabbinic law is flawed or out of date. You sensed your own arrogance and tried to excuse it (both in the article and in your response above), but you are not excused.

I think you are misguided and culpable in labeling the Chareidi dominated Rabbinate as an &quot;extreme religious sect... that adheres to the most extreme interpretation of Jewish law.&quot; They are not some small extremist minority that usurped power. In fact, they are the religious majority and they follow the mainstream gedolim on halakhic issues. What&#039;s more, I think you&#039;re confused about the Bayit Yehudi party and their religious goals in contrast to the Chareidi parties.

In any case, if you truly desire answers to your questions, rather than discrediting the entire system of oral law, I implore you to seek out the halakhic discussion and reach informed conclusions. Regarding hair covering, take a look at this article http://www.traditiononline.org/news/_pdfs/0073-0108.pdf. Today&#039;s internet leaves the laymen no excuse. If you genuinely care, you can  be enlightened.

Regarding &quot;aseh lekha rav,&quot; again, I think you have misinterpreted the message. Rather than fishing for a rabbi that will tell you what you want to hear, be a truth-seeker and you will find a rabbi whose wisdom and humility you respect, and you will trust his answers.

Wishing you much hatzlacha in striving for truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zahava,<br />
Holding up to the standard of halakhic Judaism is not easy, and it shouldn&#039;t be. More important than observing the mitzvot is the struggle to discover and define what they really are and how to observe them properly. We are all frustrated, to some extent, with the perceived gap between theory and practice, especially with sensitive contemporary issues. In that sense, I deeply sympathize with you.</p>
<p>Having said that, I suggest you recollect your thoughts and consider how you present them. Your questions are not &quot;out of line,&quot; as you put it, but your conclusions are. On several occasions in your article, you admit to your ignorance on the halakhic process and yet you have the chutzpah to suggest that rabbinic law is flawed or out of date. You sensed your own arrogance and tried to excuse it (both in the article and in your response above), but you are not excused.</p>
<p>I think you are misguided and culpable in labeling the Chareidi dominated Rabbinate as an &quot;extreme religious sect&#8230; that adheres to the most extreme interpretation of Jewish law.&quot; They are not some small extremist minority that usurped power. In fact, they are the religious majority and they follow the mainstream gedolim on halakhic issues. What&#039;s more, I think you&#039;re confused about the Bayit Yehudi party and their religious goals in contrast to the Chareidi parties.</p>
<p>In any case, if you truly desire answers to your questions, rather than discrediting the entire system of oral law, I implore you to seek out the halakhic discussion and reach informed conclusions. Regarding hair covering, take a look at this article <a href="http://www.traditiononline.org/news/_pdfs/0073-0108.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.traditiononline.org/news/_pdfs/0073-0108.pdf</a>. Today&#039;s internet leaves the laymen no excuse. If you genuinely care, you can  be enlightened.</p>
<p>Regarding &quot;aseh lekha rav,&quot; again, I think you have misinterpreted the message. Rather than fishing for a rabbi that will tell you what you want to hear, be a truth-seeker and you will find a rabbi whose wisdom and humility you respect, and you will trust his answers.</p>
<p>Wishing you much hatzlacha in striving for truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Yitzchak Shlomo Krepel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yitzchak Shlomo Krepel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 01:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi Zahava. Firstly, I&#039;m sorry if this is long, and I hope you read the whole thing and find it to be worthwhile. (I did read your article ;) ).

Secondly, I would like to commend you on your honest efforts to try to better understand your Judaism while still remaining within the orthodox context (meaning not rejecting it and siding with reform, conservative, etc). I think your frustrations are echoed by many in the Frum world who truly want to serve G-d in the correct way, and yet feel a sense of confusion as to what exactly that means. It would seem that aside from a lot of fences being made over the centuries, which you have so aptly pointed out, a lot has seemingly been lost, or perhaps de-emphasized, in which the focus was of a much more spiritual nature, meditation for example.

regardless, I would like to make a few comments that may, at least in some regard, shed some light on the nature of the development of Judaism, and perhaps why today&#039;s Judaism, while producing frustration, is still authentic Judaism.

1) aside from the spiritual components to the mitzvos, the cosmic doors of revelation that they unlock, there is a very basic purpose in adhering to them: they break down the ego through the adherent choosing them over himself. for intents and purposes, G-d could have commanded us to eat poutine while standing on one leg, rubbing our stomaches, and barking like dogs. it is irrelevant from this vantage point what the particulars of any given mitzva are. we do it because G-d says so, and that is possibly the biggest yetzer hara red flag, which is exactly why we just do it anyway. it produces humility and destroys ego.

2) essentially the question you are really asking is: how can we trust the oral Torah as has been passed down and practiced till the present day? the answer is actually quite simple, although this question plagues many people who are often at terrible odds with how to reconcile it. it is this: whatever has been accepted by the mainstream Torah observant communities, wherever they may have been, as instituted by the leading halachic authorities of the times, and has stood the test of time (meaning it was adopted and lasted) MUST by necessity be authentic. the reason is this: there are only 2 possibilities, 1) either G-d is just messing around with the entirety of humanity and the creation and the whole thing is one sick joke, or 2) what we have HAS to be authentic because otherwise it would be impossible for anyone to for sure know how G-d wants us to climb the spiritual ladder. Since I don&#039;t believe the first option (because it is ridiculous and lacks any logic whatsoever) I have no choice but to accept to second one.

HOWEVER! I&#039;m NOT saying that perhaps things couldn&#039;t change. Perhaps you will find halachic authorities today who may not be the mainstream halachic leaders of our generation that may poskin differently than the Rov of the poskim, and while such decisions may not be adopted by the mainstream Torah observant community today, perhaps such decisions (however unlikely) will actually end up standing the test of time and ultimately become adopted by the clal. the problem with this is that if it&#039;s not accepted by the Rob of the poskim, it will most likely not be accepted by the Rov of the mainstream Torah observant community, and will certainly not stand the test of time.

SO, you are left with a conundrum: since G-d is most likely not playing a sick joke on us, and since the only other option is that our mesora AS IT STAND TODAY with all it&#039;s frustrations and seeming inconsistencies, etc. has to be true, BUT nonetheless we are still left with bitterness on our tongue, what can we do?

1) the first point I made above is still relevant. we can suck it up, swallow our pride, put our heads down and bull forward with complete abandon of our &#039;better sense&#039;.
2) we can search for a better understanding of the halachos, the minhagim, and the plethora of fences that have been placed around everything. I believe it is here that you will find the most satisfying results. on the surface many halachos are impractical and outdated. but if you dig you will most certainly find that EVERYTHING is founded in kabbalah. the reality is that Torah without it&#039;s deepest levels, is an empty vessel. We can&#039;t possibly begin to understand the depths of our practice without understanding how such things connect to the holistic big picture.

i am a baal teshuva of 8.5 years. I was first a liberal, and then a buddhist. I am still a liberal, and in many ways I am still a buddhist. but sof sof, I am 100% YID, because what I have discovered is that everything Judaism has (and I am referring to all those chumras and the whole kit and caboodle) are completely consistent with my liberally buddhist perspective. in fact I would have to argue that true liberalism and true buddhism are merely offshoots of what Judaism has always, and will always be.

3) it could be that your main issue is not with Judaism at all. That the chumras and fences and minhagim aren&#039;t really what&#039;s bothering you. That placed in the right context with the right and deepest understanding you&#039;d be fine and dandy with the WHOLE package. perhaps the issue is not with the Judaism, but with the Jews who are practicing it. perhaps they don&#039;t have the WHOLE package themselves, perhaps their understanding, OR perhaps their APPLICATION of the depths that Judaism is, is misleading the observer into believing that it is the Yiddishkeit that is faulty, when in fact it is the Yid which has falsified his Yiddishkeit.

that is all.
respectfully,
-YS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Zahava. Firstly, I&#039;m sorry if this is long, and I hope you read the whole thing and find it to be worthwhile. (I did read your article <img src='http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).</p>
<p>Secondly, I would like to commend you on your honest efforts to try to better understand your Judaism while still remaining within the orthodox context (meaning not rejecting it and siding with reform, conservative, etc). I think your frustrations are echoed by many in the Frum world who truly want to serve G-d in the correct way, and yet feel a sense of confusion as to what exactly that means. It would seem that aside from a lot of fences being made over the centuries, which you have so aptly pointed out, a lot has seemingly been lost, or perhaps de-emphasized, in which the focus was of a much more spiritual nature, meditation for example.</p>
<p>regardless, I would like to make a few comments that may, at least in some regard, shed some light on the nature of the development of Judaism, and perhaps why today&#039;s Judaism, while producing frustration, is still authentic Judaism.</p>
<p>1) aside from the spiritual components to the mitzvos, the cosmic doors of revelation that they unlock, there is a very basic purpose in adhering to them: they break down the ego through the adherent choosing them over himself. for intents and purposes, G-d could have commanded us to eat poutine while standing on one leg, rubbing our stomaches, and barking like dogs. it is irrelevant from this vantage point what the particulars of any given mitzva are. we do it because G-d says so, and that is possibly the biggest yetzer hara red flag, which is exactly why we just do it anyway. it produces humility and destroys ego.</p>
<p>2) essentially the question you are really asking is: how can we trust the oral Torah as has been passed down and practiced till the present day? the answer is actually quite simple, although this question plagues many people who are often at terrible odds with how to reconcile it. it is this: whatever has been accepted by the mainstream Torah observant communities, wherever they may have been, as instituted by the leading halachic authorities of the times, and has stood the test of time (meaning it was adopted and lasted) MUST by necessity be authentic. the reason is this: there are only 2 possibilities, 1) either G-d is just messing around with the entirety of humanity and the creation and the whole thing is one sick joke, or 2) what we have HAS to be authentic because otherwise it would be impossible for anyone to for sure know how G-d wants us to climb the spiritual ladder. Since I don&#039;t believe the first option (because it is ridiculous and lacks any logic whatsoever) I have no choice but to accept to second one.</p>
<p>HOWEVER! I&#039;m NOT saying that perhaps things couldn&#039;t change. Perhaps you will find halachic authorities today who may not be the mainstream halachic leaders of our generation that may poskin differently than the Rov of the poskim, and while such decisions may not be adopted by the mainstream Torah observant community today, perhaps such decisions (however unlikely) will actually end up standing the test of time and ultimately become adopted by the clal. the problem with this is that if it&#039;s not accepted by the Rob of the poskim, it will most likely not be accepted by the Rov of the mainstream Torah observant community, and will certainly not stand the test of time.</p>
<p>SO, you are left with a conundrum: since G-d is most likely not playing a sick joke on us, and since the only other option is that our mesora AS IT STAND TODAY with all it&#039;s frustrations and seeming inconsistencies, etc. has to be true, BUT nonetheless we are still left with bitterness on our tongue, what can we do?</p>
<p>1) the first point I made above is still relevant. we can suck it up, swallow our pride, put our heads down and bull forward with complete abandon of our &#039;better sense&#039;.<br />
2) we can search for a better understanding of the halachos, the minhagim, and the plethora of fences that have been placed around everything. I believe it is here that you will find the most satisfying results. on the surface many halachos are impractical and outdated. but if you dig you will most certainly find that EVERYTHING is founded in kabbalah. the reality is that Torah without it&#039;s deepest levels, is an empty vessel. We can&#039;t possibly begin to understand the depths of our practice without understanding how such things connect to the holistic big picture.</p>
<p>i am a baal teshuva of 8.5 years. I was first a liberal, and then a buddhist. I am still a liberal, and in many ways I am still a buddhist. but sof sof, I am 100% YID, because what I have discovered is that everything Judaism has (and I am referring to all those chumras and the whole kit and caboodle) are completely consistent with my liberally buddhist perspective. in fact I would have to argue that true liberalism and true buddhism are merely offshoots of what Judaism has always, and will always be.</p>
<p>3) it could be that your main issue is not with Judaism at all. That the chumras and fences and minhagim aren&#039;t really what&#039;s bothering you. That placed in the right context with the right and deepest understanding you&#039;d be fine and dandy with the WHOLE package. perhaps the issue is not with the Judaism, but with the Jews who are practicing it. perhaps they don&#039;t have the WHOLE package themselves, perhaps their understanding, OR perhaps their APPLICATION of the depths that Judaism is, is misleading the observer into believing that it is the Yiddishkeit that is faulty, when in fact it is the Yid which has falsified his Yiddishkeit.</p>
<p>that is all.<br />
respectfully,<br />
-YS</p>
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