Comments on: The Words You Can’t Bear to Hear http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/ The Marketplace of Ideas Sun, 26 May 2013 09:28:20 +0300 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Marc Goldberg http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93562 Marc Goldberg Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:19:30 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93562 Hi Sharon I think I am just going to have to disagree with you, there is a big difference between what you wish there was here and what actually is here. A cursory look at the map will say that it's common sense that the West Bank be a part of Israel. we would have a very clear border to the East but to do that and to want it is to utterly ignore the fact that the West Bank is populated by people with their own hopes and dreams for a nation state.

]]> By: Sharon Klaff http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93468 Sharon Klaff Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:14:45 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93468 I guess the next time a rapist threatens to smash down my door and enter my house with a view to raping and murdering our entire family I should say to myself "hand him the keys and move out, after all when was the last time we were able to walk free around the neighbourhood with threat of attack?"

Sorry Mark, you are deluded. History shows the inch-crawl land grab that is taking place. It's not time to create a second Palestinian state, but to establish finally the Jordan River as boundary between Palestine and Israel as the only fair sensible pragmatic solution to this issue that will provide two peoples with two states with defensible borders. I guess though if a stupid new PM follows your advice you can always go home when the cookie crumbles, but what about all those indigenous Jews of Israel and the Jewish refugees of Arab lands? They have no "home" to go to when this little experiment fails.

]]> By: Sharon Klaff http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93470 Sharon Klaff Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:14:45 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93470 I guess the next time a rapist threatens to smash down my door and enter my house with a view to raping and murdering our entire family I should say to myself "hand him the keys and move out, after all when was the last time we were able to walk free around the neighbourhood with threat of attack?"

Sorry Mark, you are deluded. History shows the inch-crawl land grab that is taking place. It's not time to create a second Palestinian state, but to establish finally the Jordan River as boundary between Palestine and Israel as the only fair sensible pragmatic solution to this issue that will provide two peoples with two states with defensible borders. I guess though if a stupid new PM follows your advice you can always go home when the cookie crumbles, but what about all those indigenous Jews of Israel and the Jewish refugees of Arab lands? They have no "home" to go to when this little experiment fails.

]]> By: Albert Fischer http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93472 Albert Fischer Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:36:42 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93472 …

]]> By: Marc Goldberg http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93388 Marc Goldberg Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:30:57 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93388 Is that it?

]]> By: Zahava Englard http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93386 Zahava Englard Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:11:53 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93386 Marc…simple reading comprehension…don't talk to me about sporadic incidents. I said, and I quote, "the rockets rained down on Sderot." Now, Mr. Writer, what do you suppose "rained down" means? It was after we left Gush Katif that the Arabs had the strategic depth to cause havoc on the south. Get a grip on reality Marc, and brush up on your reading comp.

]]> By: Tuvia Fogel http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93248 Tuvia Fogel Wed, 06 Feb 2013 18:41:54 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93248 Dov, when someone writes "If the Palestinians really wanted to, they could throw us out of the West Bank without us having the luxury of 'giving' them anything at all", then you know know he simply shouldn't have made aliyah.

]]> By: Yonatan Knickerbocker http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93224 Yonatan Knickerbocker Wed, 06 Feb 2013 18:02:24 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93224 Yes, Gideon's piece is great. His is the truth you don't want to face vs. Marc's words you can't bear to hear.

]]> By: Ari Moshkovski http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93202 Ari Moshkovski Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:15:17 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93202 spot on.

]]> By: Ari Moshkovski http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93204 Ari Moshkovski Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:15:17 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93204 spot on.

]]> By: Dov Blair Epstein http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93210 Dov Blair Epstein Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:42:11 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93210 Zahava Englard "Really, Marc? Name calling? Are you actually resorting to that?" Zahava you COULD have said something like name-calling , where people who live in glass houses…really Marc, whose nose is longer than he is tall?..or how about all these lefty -Wooses out there patting themselves on their backs because they have 6 security bosses needing more attention from Zahava gal-on..name-calling, Zahava….nah..".EVERYBODY agrees that we need to withdraw, " and that is why Livni , yachamovich and Gal-On are being appointed to create a gov't? uh, no? ".. it's never been better thanks to the PA .." The PA? the PA? you have to be smoking something might potent to come up with that. I prefer mushrooms. "They have strength, they have numbers and if they decide to they can bring a rain of horror down upon us once again." You are pathetic. The spies were sent into Canaan, and they saw how tiny the Jews were in their eyes…oh, there's that issue of size again. You keeping a suitcase packed on the side, with your passport?Go back to your anglo origin, you aren't ready to fight for your land…oh,yeah, turn in your miluim duds, too. But seriously, I seem to recall the Arabs trying to destroy the Jews BEFORE 1967…um..1929, 30-36, Haj -al Amein budding up to Hitler, i believe that was during WWII…oh, I forgot, the Arabs tried to destroy us in 1948, 1967…73 was obviously a reaction to our occupation of 1967…so, what was their reason for trying to kill us BEFORE 1948? don't answer, I'll call ami Ayalon.

]]> By: Dov Blair Epstein http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93212 Dov Blair Epstein Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:42:11 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93212 Zahava Englard "Really, Marc? Name calling? Are you actually resorting to that?" Zahava you COULD have said something like name-calling , where people who live in glass houses…really Marc, whose nose is longer than he is tall?..or how about all these lefty -Wooses out there patting themselves on their backs because they have 6 security bosses needing more attention from Zahava gal-on..name-calling, Zahava….nah..".EVERYBODY agrees that we need to withdraw, " and that is why Livni , yachamovich and Gal-On are being appointed to create a gov't? uh, no? ".. it's never been better thanks to the PA .." The PA? the PA? you have to be smoking something might potent to come up with that. I prefer mushrooms. "They have strength, they have numbers and if they decide to they can bring a rain of horror down upon us once again." You are pathetic. The spies were sent into Canaan, and they saw how tiny the Jews were in their eyes…oh, there's that issue of size again. You keeping a suitcase packed on the side, with your passport?Go back to your anglo origin, you aren't ready to fight for your land…oh,yeah, turn in your miluim duds, too. But seriously, I seem to recall the Arabs trying to destroy the Jews BEFORE 1967…um..1929, 30-36, Haj -al Amein budding up to Hitler, i believe that was during WWII…oh, I forgot, the Arabs tried to destroy us in 1948, 1967…73 was obviously a reaction to our occupation of 1967…so, what was their reason for trying to kill us BEFORE 1948? don't answer, I'll call ami Ayalon.

]]> By: Marc Goldberg http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93206 Marc Goldberg Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:32:58 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93206 "June 28, 2004 – Mordechai Yosepov, 49, and Afik Zahavi, four, were killed when a Kassam rocket fired by Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip struck near a nursery school in the northern Negev town of Sderot." So were we out of Gaza in June 2004? http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm

]]> By: Marc Goldberg http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93208 Marc Goldberg Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:32:58 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93208 "June 28, 2004 – Mordechai Yosepov, 49, and Afik Zahavi, four, were killed when a Kassam rocket fired by Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip struck near a nursery school in the northern Negev town of Sderot." So were we out of Gaza in June 2004? http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm

]]> By: Zahava Englard http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-words-you-cant-bear-to-hear/#comment-93172 Zahava Englard Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:28:32 +0000 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/?p=100520#comment-93172 The rockets rained down on Sderot only AFTER we gave up Gush Katif. That's the fact, Jack. Before then, the people of Gush Katif silently and stoically took the brunt of it. And no, the "vast majority" is not in favor of leaving Yehuda and Shomron. If that were the case, Meretz would have won the election by a landslide. That's your take, Marc. That's not fact. And I'm really sorry that more of us in the heartland are not being murdered to suit your satisfaction. I suppose it is Israel's fault as well that our soldiers and security apparatus are up to snuff. However, that does not negate the fact that daily terrorist attempts are occuring. I suggest you google the Tayar Report. You'll get an eyeful. You are forgetting that I work for an organization that outfits the emergency response teams throughout Yehuda and Shomron with security equipment in order to prevent terror infiltrations. The One Israel Fund actually does this IN COOPERATION with the IDF. We fill in the gaps because the army can't be everywhere and the IDF appreciates the importance of our work, because it is indeed necessary. So much for your gibberish on lack of terror by the peace loving PA. In addition, referring to me as a bigot does not help your argument. Really, Marc? Name calling? Are you actually resorting to that? If preserving and safeguarding my homeland and my people is "bigotted" then fine, I'm a biggot, I say rolling my eyes at your nonsense. Oh, and for every leftist expert in the field who argues for withdrawal, there is a right-winger expert to counter those arguments.

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