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		<title>By: David-Elijah Nahmod</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72874</link>
		<dc:creator>David-Elijah Nahmod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on about Hamas. They&#039;re a violent hate group who kill their own people so as to scapegoat Israel. But the Palestinian Authority would keep the peace. Like us, they&#039;re tired of the back &amp; forth killing. Giving them a state ends the justification for the endless state of war we both live in. It&#039;s the only correct course of action there is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on about Hamas. They&#039;re a violent hate group who kill their own people so as to scapegoat Israel. But the Palestinian Authority would keep the peace. Like us, they&#039;re tired of the back &amp; forth killing. Giving them a state ends the justification for the endless state of war we both live in. It&#039;s the only correct course of action there is.</p>
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		<title>By: Boon Tee Tan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72848</link>
		<dc:creator>Boon Tee Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 03:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Abbas representing Hamas, Gaza or West Bank? Or does it matter?
Has UN gradually turned more  irrelevant? It does matter.          (mtd1943)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Abbas representing Hamas, Gaza or West Bank? Or does it matter?<br />
Has UN gradually turned more  irrelevant? It does matter.          (mtd1943)</p>
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		<title>By: Mani Mobini</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72806</link>
		<dc:creator>Mani Mobini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dispute his personal attacks? sorry that&#039;s beneath me and a waste of my time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dispute his personal attacks? sorry that&#039;s beneath me and a waste of my time.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nahum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72772</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nahum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bracha, if Abbas has really said those things, they should be easy enough to find. Care to share a link or two with us?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bracha, if Abbas has really said those things, they should be easy enough to find. Care to share a link or two with us?</p>
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		<title>By: Herbert Kaine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72770</link>
		<dc:creator>Herbert Kaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am for the Palestinian people. They are my neighbors and we are going to live together side by side forever... notice what is missing. Nowhere does Meir say that he is for Israel. Therefore we can assume that he is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am for the Palestinian people. They are my neighbors and we are going to live together side by side forever&#8230; notice what is missing. Nowhere does Meir say that he is for Israel. Therefore we can assume that he is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bilek</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72738</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bilek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is one, very basic question. Negotiate TO WHAT END OR PURPOSE?

Suppose that negotiations with the P.A. and even P.A./Hamas proceed to some sort of an agreement. The end result, inevitably, will, at best, look like the peace agreement with Egypt. Israel will abandon a concrete asset - LAND. In return, it will get apiece of paper, with promises.

That piece of paper, with all its promises, can be torn up at the first moment that it suits the Arabs, just as Egypt threatens to tear up its current agreement with Israel, just as the PLO has torn up Oslo. In that case, the Arabs KEEP the assets - land - and the Jews can use the paper for other purposes. Oslo had international guarantors. Where were they as Oslo was destroyed yesterday by unilateral Arab actions?

Why would any government of Israel sign ANY agreement with the Arabs under ANY circumstances from this point forward?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one, very basic question. Negotiate TO WHAT END OR PURPOSE?</p>
<p>Suppose that negotiations with the P.A. and even P.A./Hamas proceed to some sort of an agreement. The end result, inevitably, will, at best, look like the peace agreement with Egypt. Israel will abandon a concrete asset &#8211; LAND. In return, it will get apiece of paper, with promises.</p>
<p>That piece of paper, with all its promises, can be torn up at the first moment that it suits the Arabs, just as Egypt threatens to tear up its current agreement with Israel, just as the PLO has torn up Oslo. In that case, the Arabs KEEP the assets &#8211; land &#8211; and the Jews can use the paper for other purposes. Oslo had international guarantors. Where were they as Oslo was destroyed yesterday by unilateral Arab actions?</p>
<p>Why would any government of Israel sign ANY agreement with the Arabs under ANY circumstances from this point forward?</p>
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		<title>By: David Smith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72736</link>
		<dc:creator>David Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am for the Palestinian people. They are my neighbors and we are going to live together side by side forever.&quot;

No, for the most part, they have no intention on living together with us, side by side, or otherwise forever and are doing everything possible to see to it that they won&#039;t have to. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion - even if it encourages bitter enemies of your own people, but it is disingenuous and aggressively naive at one and the same time. The entities you support aim for your destruction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I am for the Palestinian people. They are my neighbors and we are going to live together side by side forever.&quot;</p>
<p>No, for the most part, they have no intention on living together with us, side by side, or otherwise forever and are doing everything possible to see to it that they won&#039;t have to. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion &#8211; even if it encourages bitter enemies of your own people, but it is disingenuous and aggressively naive at one and the same time. The entities you support aim for your destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jehudah Ben-Israel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72688</link>
		<dc:creator>Jehudah Ben-Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Decision lacks international validity / By Zeev Jabotinsky. 

For the past few weeks, headlines in Israel have warned that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas&#039; upcoming request for nonmember state recognition at the U.N. General Assembly will do serious damage to Israel. They are, however, mistaken.

Each U.N. member country signed the international treaty known as the U.N. Charter, which came into effect in 1945. The U.N. can act only within the framework of this pact, and any decision made by any body operating within the U.N. framework that contradicts the charter is invalid.

Abbas&#039; decision to petition the U.N. Thursday evening contradicts Article 80 of the charter and has no validity. In the absence of any validity, Abbas cannot use it in the way the media is claiming. Experts in international law have all decided this: Canadian lawyer Dr. Jacques Gauthier; Canadian former Justice Minister Professor Irwin Cotler; former Foreign Ministry legal adviser and former U.S. ambassador Dr. Meir Rosen, who was among those who drafted the Camp David peace treaty with Egypt; attorney Howard Griff from Jerusalem; and Professor Eugene Rostow, who was dean of Yale Law School for 11 years, all agree with this analysis of Abbas&#039; move. All are recognized experts in international law who specialize in the legal status of the Palestinian Mandate.

How does Article 80 of the U.N. Charter render Abbas&#039; decision invalid? Article 80 is part of an international treaty and is subject to international law. It preserves the rights of states and peoples, which includes the rights of the Jewish people to have sovereignty over the entire Land of Israel, unless a mechanism is established, based on mutual agreement between all countries and parties involved, to turn the Mandate mechanism into a trusteeship.

There was a window of about three years to do this, according to Chapter 12 of the U.N. Charter. That window was between Oct. 24, 1945 — the day the U.N. Charter went into effect — and May 14-15, 1948, when the Jewish people exercised their sovereign right to declare a state, immediately following the end of the British Mandate over the Land of Israel. That window has long passed, and no mutual agreement was reached then that would derogate from the Jewish rights of sovereignty. With the closing of this window, the rights of the Jewish people in the framework of the British Mandate became rooted in law.

Those rights were defined in the Land of Israel Mandate, a legal document and part of international law. The mandate granted only the Jews the irrevocable right to sovereignty over all the territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This right has never been altered by international law and is still in effect today. As a result, the U.N. does not have the ability to detract from these rights, and any attempt to do so is contrary to international law.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu&#039;s late father, Professor Benzion Netanyahu, was a member of the Jewish delegation to the U.N., whose mission was to protect the rights of Jewish settlements in the Land of Israel under the Mandate from any erosion in an uncertain world. Article 80 was a result of that delegation&#039;s work. It is only appropriate that his son should now use the tool the father designed. The time to use it for the goal for which it was intended is now.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decision lacks international validity / By Zeev Jabotinsky. </p>
<p>For the past few weeks, headlines in Israel have warned that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas&#039; upcoming request for nonmember state recognition at the U.N. General Assembly will do serious damage to Israel. They are, however, mistaken.</p>
<p>Each U.N. member country signed the international treaty known as the U.N. Charter, which came into effect in 1945. The U.N. can act only within the framework of this pact, and any decision made by any body operating within the U.N. framework that contradicts the charter is invalid.</p>
<p>Abbas&#039; decision to petition the U.N. Thursday evening contradicts Article 80 of the charter and has no validity. In the absence of any validity, Abbas cannot use it in the way the media is claiming. Experts in international law have all decided this: Canadian lawyer Dr. Jacques Gauthier; Canadian former Justice Minister Professor Irwin Cotler; former Foreign Ministry legal adviser and former U.S. ambassador Dr. Meir Rosen, who was among those who drafted the Camp David peace treaty with Egypt; attorney Howard Griff from Jerusalem; and Professor Eugene Rostow, who was dean of Yale Law School for 11 years, all agree with this analysis of Abbas&#039; move. All are recognized experts in international law who specialize in the legal status of the Palestinian Mandate.</p>
<p>How does Article 80 of the U.N. Charter render Abbas&#039; decision invalid? Article 80 is part of an international treaty and is subject to international law. It preserves the rights of states and peoples, which includes the rights of the Jewish people to have sovereignty over the entire Land of Israel, unless a mechanism is established, based on mutual agreement between all countries and parties involved, to turn the Mandate mechanism into a trusteeship.</p>
<p>There was a window of about three years to do this, according to Chapter 12 of the U.N. Charter. That window was between Oct. 24, 1945 — the day the U.N. Charter went into effect — and May 14-15, 1948, when the Jewish people exercised their sovereign right to declare a state, immediately following the end of the British Mandate over the Land of Israel. That window has long passed, and no mutual agreement was reached then that would derogate from the Jewish rights of sovereignty. With the closing of this window, the rights of the Jewish people in the framework of the British Mandate became rooted in law.</p>
<p>Those rights were defined in the Land of Israel Mandate, a legal document and part of international law. The mandate granted only the Jews the irrevocable right to sovereignty over all the territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This right has never been altered by international law and is still in effect today. As a result, the U.N. does not have the ability to detract from these rights, and any attempt to do so is contrary to international law.</p>
<p>Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu&#039;s late father, Professor Benzion Netanyahu, was a member of the Jewish delegation to the U.N., whose mission was to protect the rights of Jewish settlements in the Land of Israel under the Mandate from any erosion in an uncertain world. Article 80 was a result of that delegation&#039;s work. It is only appropriate that his son should now use the tool the father designed. The time to use it for the goal for which it was intended is now.</p>
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		<title>By: Yonatan Knickerbocker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72680</link>
		<dc:creator>Yonatan Knickerbocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The truth hurts, huh Mani? Dov called you out on your &quot;focus&quot;, dispute him if you can. Don&#039;t just take your ball and go home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth hurts, huh Mani? Dov called you out on your &quot;focus&quot;, dispute him if you can. Don&#039;t just take your ball and go home.</p>
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		<title>By: Yonatan Knickerbocker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72682</link>
		<dc:creator>Yonatan Knickerbocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard, please stop spamming the boards to advertise your book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, please stop spamming the boards to advertise your book.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Seredin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72678</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Seredin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How they voted?
http://russianfreedomforum.lefora.com/2012/11/30/how-they-voted/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How they voted?<br />
<a href="http://russianfreedomforum.lefora.com/2012/11/30/how-they-voted/" rel="nofollow">http://russianfreedomforum.lefora.com/2012/11/30/how-they-voted/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex Seredin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72676</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Seredin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marc Goldberg you are full of yellow stuff, ever heard of Zoya Kosmodemskaya?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc Goldberg you are full of yellow stuff, ever heard of Zoya Kosmodemskaya?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Seredin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72674</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Seredin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How they voted?
http://russianfreedomforum.lefora.com/2012/11/30/how-they-voted/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How they voted?<br />
<a href="http://russianfreedomforum.lefora.com/2012/11/30/how-they-voted/" rel="nofollow">http://russianfreedomforum.lefora.com/2012/11/30/how-they-voted/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mani Mobini</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72550</link>
		<dc:creator>Mani Mobini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[haha. you know what they say.. if you can&#039;t beat your opponent&#039;s logic, label him and then attack his character. well done Dov :) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha. you know what they say.. if you can&#039;t beat your opponent&#039;s logic, label him and then attack his character. well done Dov <img src='http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Solomon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-i-back-abbass-un-initiative/#comment-72546</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[strongly disagree and many problems here. for all the ex-shabak leaders I can bring ex- leaders saying the exact opposite-just because 6 guys agree on something doesn&#039;t mean it is the correct position. you blame bibi for not bringing peace but you don&#039;t mention his unprecedented settlement freeze and calls for negotiations and his unprecedented call for a 2state solution, thus going against his likud party ideology. you say &quot;their&quot; land, how does that jibe with the levy report, Israel&#039;s legal rights to the land, Israel&#039;s historic and Biblical rights, and private ownership rights of jews on the land?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>strongly disagree and many problems here. for all the ex-shabak leaders I can bring ex- leaders saying the exact opposite-just because 6 guys agree on something doesn&#039;t mean it is the correct position. you blame bibi for not bringing peace but you don&#039;t mention his unprecedented settlement freeze and calls for negotiations and his unprecedented call for a 2state solution, thus going against his likud party ideology. you say &quot;their&quot; land, how does that jibe with the levy report, Israel&#039;s legal rights to the land, Israel&#039;s historic and Biblical rights, and private ownership rights of jews on the land?</p>
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