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	<title>Comments on: Yes, Haredim should serve, but how?</title>
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		<title>By: Ro Yeger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ro Yeger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you notice, I do not disagree with any of the points you made. I agree that Hareidim should serve. I believe strongly that anyone who is receiving benefits from the government should be expected to serve in the same way. The fact is that while 30 years ago the Hareidim may have served more there was stil la stigma against the army. It is an internal issue that the community must adress before we can expect full compliance. Fact is that Hareidi men who go to the army have a harder time finding a job or getting married after the fact. That is a huge deterrence and we cannot expect the men to be extremely willing to serve if they know that that is their future.

As for the level of preparedness of the army, I agree. There is no space or money for the thousands of new soldiers a mass draft will bring. I am just pointing out the obvious- the army needs to be prepared for the ramifications before we can expect everyone to join. As for sheirut leumi, I am suggesting that more jobs be created within their own community. This way they can serve their country while still participating in the community they are comfortable in. 

While coercion may be the only way to go in this scenario, it WILL cause more strife rather than solve the societal issue. There will be protests, there will be anger. The Hareidim will have to deal with it if the time comes. I am merely pointing out that it will do nothing to reduce the social gaps that have been created because of this issue. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you notice, I do not disagree with any of the points you made. I agree that Hareidim should serve. I believe strongly that anyone who is receiving benefits from the government should be expected to serve in the same way. The fact is that while 30 years ago the Hareidim may have served more there was stil la stigma against the army. It is an internal issue that the community must adress before we can expect full compliance. Fact is that Hareidi men who go to the army have a harder time finding a job or getting married after the fact. That is a huge deterrence and we cannot expect the men to be extremely willing to serve if they know that that is their future.</p>
<p>As for the level of preparedness of the army, I agree. There is no space or money for the thousands of new soldiers a mass draft will bring. I am just pointing out the obvious- the army needs to be prepared for the ramifications before we can expect everyone to join. As for sheirut leumi, I am suggesting that more jobs be created within their own community. This way they can serve their country while still participating in the community they are comfortable in. </p>
<p>While coercion may be the only way to go in this scenario, it WILL cause more strife rather than solve the societal issue. There will be protests, there will be anger. The Hareidim will have to deal with it if the time comes. I am merely pointing out that it will do nothing to reduce the social gaps that have been created because of this issue. </p>
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		<title>By: בן וקסמן</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-haredim-should-serve-but-how/#comment-82718</link>
		<dc:creator>בן וקסמן</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WADR, you need to learn a bit of history. the fact is that until the 80s the vast majority of chareidim served. menachem begin came along in 77, made changes to the law regarding the number of deferments (he erased the limit of 800) and changes to various financial laws and the numbers skyrocketed. 

i realize that 30+ years have passed and one can&#039;t undo history with a flip of a switch. however the basic goal should be clear - universal service with restrictions on who doesn&#039;t serve. you think that the army isn&#039;t ready to absorb a few thousand extra 18 year olds (and that is what we are talking about; the 27 years won&#039;t be serving)? guess what, sherut leumi is 1000 times less prepared. 

in addition the problem of &quot;use coercion and force them to serve against their will&quot; is a non-issue. I&#039;d love to drive 170 kph on kvish 6 but the government uses threats of coercion to keep my speed down. every  single person here does things that they don&#039;t want to do, and their taxes go for goals about which they disagree (strongly). chareidim aren&#039;t the only ones who have problems with the GOI but somehow we deal with these problems; they can too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WADR, you need to learn a bit of history. the fact is that until the 80s the vast majority of chareidim served. menachem begin came along in 77, made changes to the law regarding the number of deferments (he erased the limit of 800) and changes to various financial laws and the numbers skyrocketed. </p>
<p>i realize that 30+ years have passed and one can&#039;t undo history with a flip of a switch. however the basic goal should be clear &#8211; universal service with restrictions on who doesn&#039;t serve. you think that the army isn&#039;t ready to absorb a few thousand extra 18 year olds (and that is what we are talking about; the 27 years won&#039;t be serving)? guess what, sherut leumi is 1000 times less prepared. </p>
<p>in addition the problem of &quot;use coercion and force them to serve against their will&quot; is a non-issue. I&#039;d love to drive 170 kph on kvish 6 but the government uses threats of coercion to keep my speed down. every  single person here does things that they don&#039;t want to do, and their taxes go for goals about which they disagree (strongly). chareidim aren&#039;t the only ones who have problems with the GOI but somehow we deal with these problems; they can too.</p>
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