Ariel Gold unknowing repeated lies in her debate with Malka Fleisher
Ariel Gold is known for the support she gives to extreme leftist organizations like Youth Against Settlements and Code Pink.
Every single human being has their own right to adhere to their own opinions and ideology regardless of reality.
Ariel Gold like Alex Jones may very well believe there are chemicals in the water making frogs gay.
People have a right to believe any kind of conspiracy theory they may hold to be true regardless of reality.
When presenting an argument regardless of which side the person is on they should present actual facts and not repeat lies in a debate because it ruins the person’s credibility.
Ariel’s debate against Malka Fleisher on YouTube through the channel Sulha saw Ariel Gold repeat many lies.
I lived in Hebron for an entire year after my military service, and for the past four years have been a resident of Kiryat Arba.
Hebron/Kiryat Arba are relatively quiet places with not much happening during the day at all with the exception of days when non-residents show up and cause problems.
In the beginning of the debate, Ariel Gold’s first error is saying that Malka lives in Hebron, which is not true because she lives in Efrat (a community 20 minutes north of Hebron).
Ariel Gold’s beginning argument is that the Cave of the Patriarchs in 1994 was only a mosque until Baruch Goldstein massacred innocent Arab civilians and the army turned it into a synagogue.
Ariel Gold needs to know history which she lacks because the Cave of the Patriarchs was built by the Jewish King Herod over 2,000 years ago.
For thousands of years, Jews prayed at the Cave of the Patriarchs until the arrival of the Arab conquerors.
The Cave of the Patriarchs was only named the Ibrahimi Mosque after the Arab conquest expelled Jews out of their sanctuary and turned it into a mosque.
Arabs forbid the Jews from praying inside their holy site and were only allowed to pray at the seventh step.
From 1967 Jews and Muslims prayed at alternating times at the Cave of the Patriarchs as mentioned in Professor Ben Zion Tavger’s book “My Hebron.”
Gold fails to be informed that most of the properties Jews live in Hebron were Jewish properties before the establishment of the State of Israel.
Gold doesn’t seem to know Jews had a presence in the city of Hebron for 3,000 years with a 20-year absence from the city since the War of Independence until the Six Day War.
Following the massacre in 1994 Rabin seriously considered expelling the Jews from Hebron as Amiram Goldblum from 972 Magazine wrote:
“Yet the plan to remove the settlers was shunned after Prof. Ehud Sprinzak, an expert on terrorism and one of Rabin’s aides, convinced his boss that their evacuation could lead to a civil war. Rabin would later wonder aloud before Dennis Ross, the U.S. envoy to the Middle East at the time, whether he had made a mistake by accepting Sprinzak’s recommendation.”
Ariel Gold saying the Ibrahimi Mosque was converted into a synagogue was wrong and not historically accurate at all.
Gold’s assertion that the Kahanist movement was not made illegal is not true because two years prior to the Goldstein massacre, the Kach Movement was banned from being involved in politics by the Israeli Supreme Court.
She claims the Cave of the Patriarchs was split in two after the massacre which is not true; there was already a division at the Cave of the Patriarchs since 1967.
The street Ariel Gold spoke about that divides both Jews and Arabs with a barrier is no longer in existence and was taken down by the military colonel in charge of the area four years ago.
Ariel Gold says that there is apartheid in Hebron which is not true because apartheid South Africa did not have an independent autonomous government ruling over the Blacks.
Apartheid means there is systemic racial discrimination built within the government apparatus that prevents the upward mobility of an ethnic or racial group.
Oslo Accords signed by Israel and the Palestinian Authority states the areas are to be divided with varying degrees of autonomy by both sides.
She accuses Israel of ethnic cleansing which is not true because the definition is defined as getting rid of members of an unwanted ethnic group in order to establish an ethnically homogenous area.
If Israel was practicing ethnic cleansing, they would have been removing Palestinians by deporting them to Jordan and the Palestinian population would be declining.
She made the assertion that settlements are against international law which is a common misunderstanding of the 49th article of the Geneva Convention.
According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
“Professor Eugene Rostow, former US Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs has written: “the Jewish right of settlement in the area is equivalent in every way to the right of the local population to live there” (AJIL, 1990, vol. 84, p.72). The provisions of Article 49(6) regarding forced population transfer to occupied sovereign territory should not be seen as prohibiting the voluntary return of individuals to the towns and villages from which they, or their ancestors, had been forcibly ousted. Nor does it prohibit the movement of individuals to land which was not under the legitimate sovereignty of any state and which is not subject to private ownership.”
Three-story apartment building Ariel Gold speaks about how settlers violently took the building over is not true.
The building was purchased over a decade ago and had to go through several approvals by the Minister of Defense to allow them to enter.
The Arab owner who sold the building is currently in jail facing life in prison for selling the home to Jews.
Ariel Gold says Anat Cohen owns a café on Shuhada Street which is not true.
Anat Cohen does not have a café, rather it is a hangout spot for soldiers to get free coffee and drinks.
Ariel asserts that because the Palestinian Authority does not control its own borders means they are not sovereign.
San Marino, Lestho and the Vatican are all landlocked within another country and do not control their borders either, yet they have autonomy.
Ariel makes another assertion that because Israel goes into area A to arrest terrorists to prevent attacks that the government violates their sovereignty.
When the IDF did not go into Area A, terrorists were blowing up buses and the Palestinian Authority was not holding up their part of the Oslo Accords to prevent attacks.
After suffering many civilian casualties and the inability of the Palestinian Authority to cooperate with Israel security-wise, the IDF sent troops to reoccupy Area A during Operation Protective Shield in 2002.
Ariel asserts that other countries do not violate the sovereignty of other countries to prevent a security threat.
Russia kills its own dissidents who flee to countries like the United Kingdom and assassinate them using different kinds of radioactive poisons.
The US has a history of arresting foreign citizens in other countries and bringing them to the US to face trial sometimes without the cooperation of the foreign country in question.
Israel struck military targets in Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Iraq in order to secure its own national security.
Ariel Gold makes this ridiculous assertion that Arabs are housed in a giant cage in their neighborhood and can not leave anywhere else and have to be buzzed in to open a gate to go home.
Arabs are able to go anywhere they want in Hebron with the exception of a one-mile-long street that cuts across the Jewish area.
The fences are set up to protect Jews from potential terrorists who in the past few decades have murdered Jews.
The only place Palestinians are buzzed into is the gate across from the Beit Hadassah neighborhood which is placed there to search Arabs coming in and out because there have been attacks on Jews in the past.
Ariel Gold tells Malka that Arabs from the West Bank should be given citizenship and more.
So Gold wants Palestinians to have more rights than Jews? How is this just?
Many Palestinians have no desire to live under Israeli sovereignty and vote in their own municipal elections of the Palestinian Authority.
Gold says Arab Israelis are discriminated against in Israel and are not as equal as Jewish Israelis which is a lie.
Arab Israelis have the same upward mobility in a society as any Jewish citizen.
Arab Israelis are on the Supreme Court, serve in the military, are members of parliament, own successful businesses and are the majority in many universities.
Ariel Gold responds to Malka saying every five minutes there are Arab blindfolded and zip-tied by Israeli soldiers.
This is another fabrication due to the fact most arrests are done at two or three in the morning and the soldiers swiftly transfer them to the Border Police to be sent to prison.
Ariel Gold literally does not understand what Malka is trying to promote by saying she wants to provide them with Jordanian Citizenship.
Malka is promoting Dr. Mordechai Kedar’s idea of a future where Palestinians would be designated to different municipal districts based on tribes and would be represented by the Jordanian Government.
Nowhere in the plan is there an expulsion of Palestinian residents to Jordan.
Gold interprets it because of her biased view toward religious people like Malka who she sees as an extremist.
I have no issue with Ariel Gold being an Anti-Zionist because even though I disagree with her position it is her right to have whatever belief she chooses.
Spouting lies and misinformation in a debate is not going to help anyone even consider any of her points when all she is doing is repeating lies and outdated information.