Daniel Shindler

Is dialogue in the diaspora worth it anymore?

It has often been said since October 7th there have been two wars being fought, one in the Middle East and one in the diaspora. Previously these two worlds have seemed far from each other. Now the intersection between the two has never been clearer. However for many living in the diaspora the relationship has caused rifts, some irreparable, within families, workplaces and with friends. Peer pressure, ideology, misunderstandings, failure to do the work, fear have all played a part. To list everything that has happened since 7/10 requires a book. As a result has dialogue become a pointless exercise best tucked away in the echo chambers of someone’s substack or for the disciples of someone’s podcast?
I’ve been lucky to have a few people in my life who have been my sounding boards whenever I needed advice, support or simply wanted to know what they thought. They’d direct me to articles, books, clips, films, music, whatever they felt would nourish me. Elsewhere I decided early on I’d attempt dialogue only with anyone who showed signs of curiosity and would pass on whatever I believed would inform, challenge, keep their interest. Some hung around for a few weeks but most didn’t last for very long (a friend said I’d become ‘an obsessive twat’, I make no apology). However there were a few survivors.
I’m not going to lie, genuine dialogue in my life only flickers faintly. My neighbor wears a free Palestine football shirt, true story. So I want to cling onto exchanges with two people living in vastly different worlds because I want to believe it’s still worth it.
I have an Israeli friend who I’ve known for over 30 years. She and her partner are some of my oldest friends which means she is more or less free to say whatever she wants to me, she’s Israeli after all. No problem. I have another friend, not Jewish, who I met at university over nearly 40 years ago. We’ve only recently started to correspond at length so we tread carefully.
Since October 7th I’ve been to Israel several times including being caught in the 12 day war with Iran. But it’s only given me a glimpse into what my Israeli friend and her family have endured. In the first week after October 7th her daughter went to 5 funerals. Beyond words.
Recently when I told her about some of the conversations I’d been having with my university friend she asked me, ‘What is the essence of it all?‘ Answering her own question she barely draws breath as she charts the history of the liberal Jew growing up in the UK. Her starting position was this -‘You folded your Judaism into you and lived with no real conflict between your Judaism and liberalism‘- before taking me through the moments ‘when it starts to feel like the people in the liberal club aren’t quite so liberal when it comes to Jews’ climaxing in Oct 7 when ‘a jumped up little tribe called the Jews become a renewed focus point for left wing liberals, armchair supporters of stray cats and the weak, seduced by universalism, frustrated by Brexit, Trump politics first time around, pushbacks on trans rights and hatred of colonialism in every form they can imagine though not necessarily understand. From the Jewish liberal perspective we can’t believe it. If we just show empathy/talk about liberal values/ show vulnerability/count dead Jews/ show what Hamas did then they must see. There must be some liberal empathy for us too, after all we have played our part, we have lived these values’.
It’s quite an onslaught because it has been an onslaught.
Now switch for a moment to my correspondence with my university friend. I’m attempting to explain the impact of the shattering of the liberal consensus my Israeli friend had described. She’d been listening to my anger and asked me to think about the duality of trying to protect our ‘deepest truth‘ whilst facing ‘the dark‘. She could see I was failing to find the balance and how it was costing me. But then she wrote this:
It’s our deepest selves, the place where we must meet that we need to nurture if we are not to descend into polarities. If one looks more one way then one needs to look a lot more the other way
For my Israeli friend this was a red flag:

1) Fuck sitting on the fence (the fence is not for minorities like Jews who know why we need a Jewish state). 2) Fuck everyone who wants us to look in both directions equally or see Gazans with even eyes right now, we are doing our best. 3) Recognize that we need no permission to breathe or take up space or to support a legitimate, sovereign Jewish state. 4) Recognize that it’s a tough time to be a Jew.’

She went onto ask me whether such a dialogue was worth it. People were not for changing. Perhaps but I wanted my university friend, an English literature graduate, to listen to Haviv Rettig Gur’s metaphor about the hobbit,

‘In Lord of the Rings, Tolkien writes of the hobbits: “The Shire had no need of watchtowers or walls, and its peace had been maintained more by the vigilance of its friends than by any efforts of its own. Yet the Hobbits continued to live, as they had lived for centuries, in a state of blissful ignorance, unaware that they were being watched and protected.”……too many in the West have forgotten this last part, not because the world has changed, but because they have lived under someone else’s protection for so long that they have forgotten that they are protected.’

As Jews we don’t ever take our survival for granted, we know who and what protects us.

It shook my university friend who started to see something that she hadn’t seen before about how she was able to freely take positions without there being any jeopardy. That certainly wasn’t the case for my Israeli friend. It seemed to be a moment when dialogue mattered.

Both were now talking about uncertainty. I think what my university friend describes here is shared by many in the diaspora who are ‘ lost in a tangled forest of opinions and hate and fear, in issues I don’t understand. That everything that seems to me so vital to hold onto and speak about and stay true to, will become falsely veiled and clouded in it all‘. My response has always been what I called the 5 year journey with the kids I taught, the ‘ walk towards‘. I and they embraced the ‘spirit in which we are certain by not being certain of our certainties. To the extent that we are not sure about our certainties we begin the ‘walk toward’ certainties.’

But now two years on I am finding uncertainty to be crippling. To partly explain it both of my friends gently introduced generational trauma into our conversation which took me to the dysfunction I grew up in. Fear and anxiety were ever present, that we needed to keep our heads down, avoid risk, conform because at any moment there could be a knock on the door. It’s probably been there the whole time but I refused ‘to know one corner of the room, one spot near the window, one narrow strip on which they keep walking back and forth‘. Better to go out into the world and come back with a self.

As a result it led me to believe ‘life is there ahead of you and either one tests oneself in it’s challenges or huddle in the valley of dreamless day to day existence’. I’m deep in that valley at the moment. My thoughts and feelings grab me by the throat too often. At that moment I’m lost to them.

I feared my Israeli friend would feel this was starting to sound like diaspora self pity and indulgence. Far from it,  ‘I think Jews in the diaspora especially Europe have experienced trauma that is unique and that Israelis don’t and can’t get’. It prompted her to ask some tough questions:

‘So what options do we have when some of our most basic life foundations are fallen apart? Keep the dialogue going with those who need persuading? Only hang out with people who agree with us? Drop from sight hoping the wind will start to blow in the other direction? Move to Israel? Lean into the Jewish tribe? Speak out? Come and visit the homeland to breathe? Believe that people are essentially good? Don’t mention or talk about it? None of these options is complete or perfect for everyone of us.

We are in a time when whether you like it or not your Jewish identity is pushed to the fore. Of course it’s not the 1930s and 40s but there is something about having to identify as Jewish whether you choose to or not is a very threatening place to be’

How does a non Jew living in the UK try to understand the lived experience captured by my Israeli friend’s questions that as always get to the heart of things. For my university friend it is in people’s stories, a willingness to not only listen but hear, how really knowing good can help us overcome the terrible place humans can go. However she understands the limits of this in the current reality, ‘it would take a longer, gentler conversation’.

So it was here we bumped up against the limits of our dialogue. We could go no further.

Where did it leave us? For my Israeli friend she is in a war, now is not the time. She has written elsewhere:

‘Our explanations matter, but they might matter to us more than to anyone else. And as we wait for someone to listen, we shouldn’t hold our breath.’

My university friend is still writing to me, we will continue to talk. For me it is now ‘a search of stabilizing the self into a form. In doing so we can create a life that presents itself to a reflective individual as worth living. After all if I’m around in the world at all I am in it as a human being.

If that is the case then I suggest for diaspora Jews who still feel dialogue is worth the effort is because they want to be seen.

‘I want to talk about everything with at least one person as I talk about things with myself’ (Dostoyevsky).

Ultimately a world without dialogue is a ‘universe of darkness’. It has to be worth it.

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